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Woman tries to stop looters in France (ikt.id.au)
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[–] 62 points 16 hours ago* (14 children)

It's a classic problem with mass civil disobedience. All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who'll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows. Then they can frame the entire movement as violent and base.

Im not advocating against civil disobedience, but you need solidarity to avoid this.

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  • [–] 7 points 12 hours ago* (1 child)

    Bad people distort narratives regardless of the actions of others.... No matter what she did, my first wife was always the victim. DARVO is a thing, identify it and ignore it. These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting does not disqualify their complaints. Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction to the original violation against them.

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  • [–] 3 points 12 hours ago

    Their complaints must be evaluated and addressed independently of their reaction

    I 100% agree.

    These people looting a market for resources after a long night of rioting

    But this doesn't mean that revolutionary action demands we hold the delusional belief that this market was looted because the protestors were on the brink of starvation or had no access to clean water or medical supplies.

    They smashed that shop to bits because it was fun and an opportunity to rob some vapes.

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  • [–] 9 points 16 hours ago* (7 children)

    Greed. Its in all of us, and the filthy rich love exploiting the them, as they easier to manipulate.

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  • [–] 7 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

    Greed. Its in all of us

    This is something the greedy want you to believe, and an insult to the majority of humanity who would never act like this.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago (3 children)

    Every human is a human. We are a product of our (largely shared) genetics and circumstance.

    Every last human is capable of the evils any given human comitted. We are all the same.

    People get very defensive about this, but the only counter I ever hear is "nuh uh."

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  • [–] 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

    Every last human is capable of the evils any given human comitted

    If you strip away everything that has made them an individual, yes you're right. But I think that just highlights that your argument is a pointless distinction.

    If you swapped me out at birth with a Nazi general, there's a good chance I'd be driven down the same life path.

    Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they've adopted in life, that wouldn't destroy a corner shop for no reason. That wouldn't assault a woman trying to protect her place of work.

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  • [–] 0 points 12 hours ago* (1 child)

    First of all that was just a "nuh uh." But,

    Likewise this means you have to accept that there are many people, due to their upbringing and the principles they've adopted in life, that wouldn't destroy a corner shop for no reason.

    No human chose how to be brought into the world. Your argument is not substantive.

    Empathy is the path forward. Othering outgroups is not. We have plenty of research to back this up.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago*

    Your argument is not substantive.

    Well if your rebuttal is simply determinism then I think you'll find that nobody's arguments can possibly contain any substance.

    Empathy is the path forward.

    Agreed.

    Othering outgroups is not

    Nobody has been othered. In fact using it in this way dilutes the word as its simply rhetoric intended to censor discussion behind a purity test.

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  • [–] -1 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    Doesn't change that it's in all of us even if you don't personally act on it.

    We all have it in our capacity to do great good or great evil in the world.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    All the elites have to do is simply wait for a selfish minority who'll choose to use the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellows.

    Which is EXACTLY what the Elites do as matter of routine. They just don't like it when it gets turned on THEM.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago

    So I'm sure you'll agree it's much better to loot an apple store or burn down a billionaires mansion rather than smash a corner shop to bits and assault other working class people.

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