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[–] 14 points 3 days ago (13 children)

glazing the Shu Han kingdom when they really didn’t deserve it

I had read the preface to current English edition where the role of the novel as historical propaganda was explained and it really have no sense except "i decided Shu is good" which then continue to be parroted over centuries. Why would Central Plains unification faction become a proxy for Mongols and Manchu while western and southern splinter warlords become good guys from the specific point of view of desirable unification of China and throwing off a foreign rule is completely beyond me.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago (9 children)

    It basically was trying to justify that the ruling dynasty can be based in Southern China, because before it was assumed by default that the true center of China is in the north.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    What's especially baffling is the modern spin that tries to paint anticommunists as Shu and the modern CPC as Wei. I forget where I read that garbage, but it felt like some incredibly forced Radio Free Asia bullshit written by someone who just discovered Dynasty Warriors.

    Didn't even get far enough into the story to learn about the Jin Dynasty, smdh my dick head

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    I'm so confused, wouldn't the only remotely communist group during that time be something like the Yellow Turban rebellion? Pretty much the only "people's" movement I can think of, the rest of it was just various powerful nobles fucking over the people.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

    No one ever accused anticommunists of being coherent. It's more that Wei was "aUtHoRiTaRiAn" when, in truth, Cao Cao's agricultural policy (tuntian, effectively diverting military resources to work farmers' lands and reimbursing them for use afterward) and its prevention of further widespread famine kept Wei's economy afloat better than Wu or Shu, who each had their own bizarre supply line issues due to their geography. Regardless, maybe there are some parallels there to Mao, and that's what propagandists are trying to evoke by painting Cao Cao -- and therefore Mao -- as overly ambitious?

    I dunno, man; I'm two sentences into this thought experiment and I'm already at my limit for bullshit Reddit Island cryptohistory takes, lmao

    We can probably leave it at "poorly thought-out KMT propaganda." Edit: or cia

    I'm trying to remember when and where I saw it. I'm guessing around 2016-2017, which means it very well could have been a Reddit post of an article from some NATOid rag talking about the "evolution" of Three Kingdoms discourse. I'll try to do some digging, because all I can remember are the glorious brainworms.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    But it does sound maddening, very lib to take a fictional account of historical events and then try to give them the Hollywood treatment and then take that Hollywood treatment that bears no bearing on the original whatsoever and use it to fill in the blanks of their black and white "good guys are this team, bad guys are this team" kind of simplistic idealistic great man history thinking. I don't blame you for not wanting to bother, it sounds completely pointless and the sort of things libs make up to sound smart while refusing to actually understand history in the slightest.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I can't find it again, but I stumbled across this bullshit instead. CW for weapons-grade orientalism:

    https://thediplomat.com/2016/04/the-three-kingdoms-three-paths-for-chinas-future/

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Oh damn, this is like, advanced Xi cup of tea discourse. chefs-kiss

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Right?! THE PERFIDIOUS ASIATICS HAVE DEVELOPED A DANGEROUS TECHNIQUE CALLED "STRATEGIC ALLIANCES!" THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THEM FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, AS WRITTEN IN ANCIENT CHINESE TEXTS^*^

    *From the 1500s

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    They truly will say and do anything, no matter how vile or nonsensical, just to avoid ever getting close to class analysis. Like we know what China is planning, they're extremely transparent about it. But these guys act like the inscrutable orientals have been planning to overrun the western world with Labubus for millennia and ancient oracle bones are the only way to tell what they're planning, it's a coded message for today.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago* (2 children)

    Also Liu Bei had the right "lineage" being a descendant of a minor branch of the Han Imperial House as opposed to Cao Cao (the son of an adopted son of eunuch) and Sun Quan (the son of minor official)

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