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[–] 91 points 3 days ago (77 children)

Not directly related to the post, but what is it with people getting all pissy when they find out you're vegetarian/vegan? More than once I've had someone act like I told them I punch babies for fun when they find out I don't eat meat. I don't bring it up unprompted, it's always in relation to a dietary concern. For example, I ordered a veggie dish at a restaurant, and they brought me the meat equivalent. I politely let the server know I ordered something else (apologetically I might add, because I feel like I'm being difficult to a service worker even though it's about a dietary restriction), and she acted like I was out of line. Rolling eyes, huffy, and asked me if I wanted her to take it back (um, obviously?).

This has happened to me or friends in various social settings, and I just don't get it. I even attended a cookout once where the host got mad at me for not eating his burgers. After I responded to the dietary restriction email. And brought my own dish. People act like you're being a bitch for not eating meat! I've never once pushed my diet on anyone or brought it up out of necessary contexts, but people still talk behind my back like I'm being dramatic for not eating things I don't want to.

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  • [–] [S] 61 points 3 days ago (37 children)

    The BBC has a good article on this concept

    The tension that results can make us feel stressed, irritated, and unhappy. But instead of resolving it by changing our beliefs or behaviour, it’s quite normal to blame these feelings on something else entirely – all without realising we’re doing it

    In the case of eating meat, Rothgerber suggests we have a number of strategies – around 15 – which allow us to avoid facing up to the meat paradox. These include pretending that meat has no link to animals, imagining that we eat less of it than we really do, wilful ignorance about how it’s produced

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    Unfortunately, most of these are derailed by the presence of vegans.

    According to Rothgerber, people tend not to think of meat eating as an ideology. The dominance of meat eating around the world helps the omnivores among us to avoid the idea that it’s a choice – it’s just what everyone else is doing. But when a vegan turns up at a dinner party, suddenly we’re bumped out of the comfortable “mainstream diet” category and into the unsettling “meat-eating” category. By their mere existence, vegans force people to confront their cognitive dissonance. And this makes people angry.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200203-the-hidden-biases-that-drive-anti-vegan-hatred

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  • [–] 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I mostly eat meat when it's served to me, but if making my own food or eating out, it's mostly vegetarian. At the same time, though, I fish and eat the fish I catch.

    A friend of mine makes faces at me when I mention fishing and says stuff like how she feels bad for the poor fish. When I point out she is not a vegetarian or vegan, she just straight up says she tries not to think about it. But "poor fish" when I look at my kill directly and gut it with my own hands. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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  • [–] 15 points 3 days ago

    Yeah, people much prefer the far away abstract violence compared to a softer violence they have to face

    I have so much more respect for hunting for food than industrial agriculture. But in some ways there's a stigma that hunting carries in a way industrial agriculture doesnt, even though the way it treats animals is infinitely more horrifying

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    I'm skeptical of this... I think it's because vegan-ism is so puritanical, and everyone hates puritans.

    It would be different if 1) it was necessitated by a health concern, or 2) they were just people who tried to eat as few products made from commercial farming as possible, but would eat animal products as circumstances necessitate. But they cut out all animal products, to the point that it can be really really difficult to prepare food for them. And I understand that usually vegans try to be accommodating and just bring their own food; they aren't trying to be dicks to everyone. But they still forgo the aspect of social bonding created by preparing food for others and sharing food with others, which drives social distance between themselves and others on purely ideological grounds.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    I hear you. I was raised vegetarian (mom is awesome) and have flip flopped between that and veganism my whole life. Growing up meatless and male has been a weird experience, with countless people telling me I'm not manly be cause I don't eat dead animals. Wtf.

    Sadly, I've also received the opposite, telling me I don't really care because I'm not vegan enough (sigh)

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  • Remind yourself that a lot of people fall into the trap of boosting themselves at the expense of others around them because it's a low-hanging-fruit way to make themselves feel better. Their comments aren't really about you. Someone's always going to judge, no matter what we do. At least you try, that *is *worth something.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    A good friend of mine is vegan and has been actually assaulted (old lady slapped him, which isn't exactly being attacked with a tire iron, but it's still fucking assault) because of it.

    Another good friend is vegetarian, and when we went out for pizza, he ordered this one fancy pizza, and told them to hold the meat (entire pizza is veggie except for prosciutto). They brought it out with prosciutto on it, and when he said "I don't eat meat" the server replied "it's very thin" as if that made a difference to it being meat. It was genuinely quite funny in the moment. Lol. They did replace the pizza without any qualms or attitude, but I'll never forget that moment. It's thing, so it doesn't count!

    ... Also, I do wish they'd left that pizza instead of taking it back. It looked so good, and whenever I visit them they like to starve me to death because they're all tiny people with caloric deficits D:

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I think some cultures are entirely unfamiliar with the idea of not eating meat at all.

    Like that line from Big Fat Greek Wedding. “He doesn’t eat meat? Is okay, I make lamb.”

    They treat it the same way we might treat the phrase “he doesn’t drink.” Which means no alcohol, not “no consuming liquid of any kind.”

    No meat is just taken to mean no whole meats, like cuts of steak. So you get “no meat in the soup, just a bit of the chicken stock for flavour.”

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago* (2 children)

    Because your lifestyle choices are an affront to their lifestyle. In many places in the world eating meat is an important part of the culture. Saying that you don’t eat meat is seen as a rejection of the culture. And they will immediately label you as “the other”.

    It’s like if a person says they are an atheist in a country where everyone is religious and religion is an important part of daily life. Even when the atheist isn’t judging anyone the atheist will receive negative reactions and even violence.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Hugs.

    This is why I don't bring it up to other people.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I try not to, but sometimes I have to for dietary reasons. I have to choose between going somewhere that has nothing I can eat, ordering a drink or a side, saying "I'm not hungry," and eating at home, or risking peeving others with the audacity to not consume meat.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    The same goes for the vegan/vegetarian side too, tbh.

    Like, it's something more related to group dynamics. Give people a way to distinguish themselves and they'll build all of their identity around it, then they'll discriminate the out-group and suck the in-group's balls even if they're wrong.

    As of myself, I'm omnivore and I can't get carnists nor vegetarians and/or vegans points, but I do respect them as long as they respect me too.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    weirdly ive noticed alot of behavior like this even on lemmy and even in leftist communities on here. people just get really mad when a post even mentions someone being vegan. similarly i see people demonizing people who for riding bikes and i just get so confused at why they are on lemmy (a very leftist platform) if they despise commonly leftist things

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 3 days ago

    There's a name for this in the broader sense, though riding bikes may or may not fill into this (can if it's for environmental reasons)

    Do-gooder derogation is a phenomenon in moral psychology where a person's morally motivated behavior leads to them being perceived negatively by others. The term "do-gooder" refers to a person who deviates from the majority in terms of behavior, because of their morality

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-gooder_derogation

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