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[–] 51 points 5 days ago (19 children)

I hate the term "male loneliness epidemic" so fucking much.

You wanna know why you're lonely? Take a look at yourself. I can assure you, it has everything to do with YOU as a person instead of what "feminism" has supposedly done.

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  • [–] 63 points 5 days ago (10 children)

    To be honest men are lonely because men don't show intimacy with other men. Just in writing this I feel the urge to have to clarify I'm not talking sex because the assumption is that men loving men in any way is sexual in nature. I've had so many friends who bottle it all up and are so emotionally broken then treat their girlfriend like an unpaid therapist.

    (To be clear I am totally agreeing with you here, you got me thinking is all)

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  • [–] 46 points 5 days ago* (5 children)

    I agree that this is something men lack, and i would add that a lack of third spaces, a tendency towards societal atomization by long work hours, individualist culture, overemphasis of the nuclear family and other consequences of late stage capitalism greatly contribute as well, but when you look at statistics about lonelyness, there is actually very little evidence that men are more likely to be lonely than people of other genders. There is a lonelyness epidemic, but it's not specifically a male one. In fact, there is a bit of evidence that women are more likely to be lonely, even if you correct for compounding variables (like longer life expectency which means there's more old women who have outlived their husband than old men who have outlived their wifes).

    And i've seen articles about the "male lonelyness epidemic" that fully acknowledge all this and then without explanation go on to say that women should show men more affection because they can't do that with each other, while not adressing female lonelyness at all, or why they think that there's an obligation of women to do unpaid emotional support labor for men to fix a societal ill. On supposedly leftist news sites. You can't make this shit up.

    In my opinion, the actual reason that there is this entire male lonelyness epidemic discourse is that in our society, men's feelings are valued more than the feelings of women and people of other genders.

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  • [–] 40 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Really good points and I completely agree, loneliness in women is totally ignored when women are not any less lonely. Maybe it is because men are simply so violent in how they act out but I honestly don't know, I'm just spitballing. It's hard to really pin down with patriarchal focus and I'm honestly out of my depth to analyze it much further.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I definitely think that's a large part of it. When men are lonely, they go on killing sprees. Not to mention the discourse of patriarchical news sources.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 days ago

    In fact, there is a bit of evidence that women are more likely to be lonely, even if you correct for compounding variables

    Plenty of single moms who are considered undateable because they're single moms including the incels crying that they can't get Stacies.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 days ago* (1 child)

    Yeah generally the men who are bemoaning in this situation tend to be shitheads that yeah bud no wonder no one wants to be around you. Meanwhile everyone else can't connect because of late capitalism destroying third-spaces and ruthlessly monitizing all aspects of life.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 days ago*

    And they NEVER blame porky! Porky could admit that he knew rising rents and mass firing everyone would make people lonely, and he doesn’t care he owes white men some level of an easy mode by virtue of porky also mostly being a white man.

    Sauce: got to live in a walkable city for like a month and by week two I was hanging out with friends I just met and had real chemistry with this one girl. It should be that easy, but that’s made impossible employers lost their damn minds and want a purple squirrel for everything.

    But of course none of them will blame porky for not hiring and keeping 25% of the country functionally unemployed! Good luck dating, let alone having friends in that situation.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    The main problem with the phrase is how it limits the loneliness epidemic to men, though of course it's unsurprising in a patriarchal society that only men would be considered as the valid victims of a social epidemic.

    But we need to be clear here. There is a loneliness epidemic. All genders are effected by it, furthermore the root of the problem is the extreme and increasing social alienation of late stage capitalism, and it's important that we keep that in mind. While you're not wrong that the type of people who tend to wail about the "male" loneliness epidemic are usually incel men who think they're entitled to a partner and blame "feminism" without even the slightest hint of self examination, loneliness in general is rarely if ever the sole fault of the individual, it is a social problem with social causes. So when you or anyone says:

    You wanna know why you're lonely? Take a look at yourself. I can assure you, it has everything to do with YOU as a person

    It is a terrible, cruel, and unhelpful thing to say to most genuinely lonely people and it is usually flat out wrong. This widespread immense loneliness has everything to do with a broken, communityless society, diseased by individualist ideology, borne out of capitalism and enforced by the bourgeois ruling class. Don't discredit the very real problem of widespread loneliness or throw the many lonely victims of it under the bus because a fascist minority has hijacked it and claimed to be the sole sufferers.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 days ago

    I fully agree, I typed out three other replies before I realized you had already made each of my points better than I would have.

    I have a really hard time pushing back on the social isolation based insults here because the most vocal people about being isolated are awful people for other reasons, and I don't want to sound like I'm just defending them.

    loneliness in general is rarely if ever the sole fault of the individual, it is a social problem with social causes.

    Which should be obvious with even the slightest bit of investigation! I find that a lot of people like to moralize about people who are isolated "deserving" it, despite how isolated people are unsurprisingly more likely to come from marginalized groups (wealth and disability correlate with social isolation in exactly the ways you would expect).

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Yes, blaming people for being lonely is a very neoliberal take

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    Some people have it all and don't take advantage of the opportunity though.

    Having enough disposable income to spend $900 on an epic chungus LEGO Millenium Falcon instead of using that money on a hobby that lets you interact with people feels like a bad decisiom

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  • [–] 16 points 5 days ago*

    I mean it does also have to do with the structural limitations of gendered expression enforced by patriarchy and the general social alienation of capitalist production. This is just expressed through men being very very shitty as individuals.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago

    My coworker talks about it all the time. Most of these mfs are able-bodied, never leave the house, and the only hobbies they have are touching computer, alone.

    Someone on here made a point as to why incest porn is so common in the west, because these mfs never leave the house so it's the most realistic scenario for them getting some play, I wish I could find that comment.

    There are plenty of well-adjusted adults out there who are easy to befriend, signing up for a random sport or activity once a week is sometimes all you need to get things rolling

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