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[–] 67 points 1 week ago (21 children)

LOL i don't know anything about sheeran but i wouldn't be surprised if he knows nothing and has no opinion on palestine, only what his managers tell him.

his only course of action now is to fess up and apologize. he was afraid of being blacklisted by venues, now he should be afraid of being ditched by millions of sane people

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  • [–] 64 points 1 week ago (15 children)

    The thing is he's always been considered a pretty decent person who is much more down to earth than you'd expect from his level of celebrity, and I get why he's tried to avoid taking a stance on this, but the time for sitting on a fence is well over.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Can't really avoid taking a stance on genocide.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    It's one thing to avoid it, but when directly confronted with it, he fucked up. Had he told Kraft to pound sand, he'd still have a tour and support, but he picked a side by "not picking a side".

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    well there was a time when many of us thought Elon as smart… Sheeran's "pretty decent" persona was shattered by the ultra low hanging fruit of simply saying "war is bad" (which would have been enough to get him out of this hole)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    Not even as high a bar as “war is bad”, because even that can have some nuance, but it was “verifiable genocide, an explicit extinction of a group of people by another, in one of the most one-sided conflicts in history is bad.”

    This genocide is like watching a roided-up bull kill several babies on purpose just because they were there, and also also saying nothing about the people who put the fucking thing in the daycare and gave it the drugs after it already attacked people. (Note: I am not saying Palestinians are weak babies and if anyone needs to have the conversation then they don’t have the literacy level to make it worth anyone’s time).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    right you are… I was going for the bare bone minimum that would have probably save Sheeran's face and he could not even muster that much

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    I mis-typed, I meant to say that “war is bad” is a higher bar. If this genocide can’t make you take a stand against something then you don’t stand for anything but your own pocketbook, as these people have proven over and over.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago

    I am not trying To be an apologist or whatever but the fact matter is Ed spent millions of dollars On personnel, trucks, lodging, Logistics stage design stage equipment expecting to make it back because he fronts the cost for his own tour. Contracts are signed. People are hired equipment is rented trucks are booked. Much of it is prepaid. Ed is the one holding the and the contract not really in a position to just cancel legally or financially.

    He put out a really poor statement, yeah, but he’s not in the same position the others are. Cut him a little slack. The venue owner Robert Kraft is the problem here.

    Ed needs a crisis manager

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    If you don’t have an opinion about such a grave disaster, you have an opinion about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The church I play music at this year, during the kids' moment of the service, they sometimes open the mic up so the kids can ask questions and make comments. There are third graders (I chose that age because that's how old the kid was) with more complicated, accurate, and empathetic opinions about the genocide of Palestinians than what sheeran gave us.

    So like if you don't have an opinion on it, you have had since 1950 (ish. I'm rounding up) to learn. I learned about the intifadas when I was in my 20s, so i don't hold it against the youts if they're not basing their positions off a clear picture. Shit I'm middle aged and I'm still a novice when it comes to international geopolitics. I enjoy reading about it tho.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    That’s the thing. If you put the hands in front of your eyes, you actively try to ignore it. There is no way you did not come across zero information about the Israel/Palestine conflict in the past decades. This is why I say that if you have no opinion, you actively ignore the facts (for whatever reason), which automatically gives you a stance on the topic.

    There is a difference between “I have no opinion” and “I am not so well informed to have a factual opinion, but my gut is telling me, that there is something bad happening and we should actually talk about it”

    Ed is nothing but a coward.

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