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Be a friend (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 21 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Any idea what the difference is between just saying that about the social batteries, because one simply doesn't care and those batteries being really empty, due to mental health struggles? Would you tell Christine Miserandino to "just be a friend", when she explains that she is not able to come? And please don't tell me, that that is different, because Lupus is a real Illness, whereas mental illnesses …

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  • [–] 39 points 2 days ago (12 children)

    The difference is what you do around it.

    Friend's birthday is coming up next week, and they care about you and you wanna show you care about them? Well the day before (or whatever timeline you need), you don't do anything that drains your batteries, or do things to recharge them, so that when it's time to go to the party, the battery is full.

    If we're gonna treat social as a limited resource, then being a good friend means spending that resource on them. If we give it a number, then let's say a birthday gift costs 50. It doesn't matter if your battery holds 100 or 100, save 50 for the party.

    I have a relative who does the battery thing, and the key thing that puts them in the "doesn't care" category despite a mental disorder that absolutely qualifies them for the battery analogy, is they just don't spend their battery unless it's a benefit to them. They won't spend it on one of their friends unless it's one of like, 2 specific people, so it's an excuse.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    Exactly, you can pick your priorities.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (4 children)

    Well, have you read the linked spoon theory? I ended a friendship once by not going to their birthday. I did nothing unavoidable and there was no option, no priority (unless loosing your normal even already part time job would be a valid option for you, to go to such a party) given. Yet still I hadn't the energy left.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    You’re supposed to sacrifice. Show up for them, stay awhile, do your best to have a good time. Even if you’re drained.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    This is insane. Friendships can't always be sacrifice, they have to be beneficial as well.

    A friend who doesn't understand that birthday parties aren't your scene, but you'll make time to see them in a quieter setting? Maybe they aren't the right friend.

    A friend who is going through a crisis? That's the time to sacrifice to help them. Not to go to a party that is supposed to be fun. If you aren't going to have fun there, why would a friend want you to go?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    It was not that I would have been drained, no:

    • I was, back then, simply — not — able — to — show up!

    I really hope, that you never find yourself under such conditions, like (just as an example) depression can put you into, but "show up to them" was an option, as easily realised as if I tell somebody who's paraplegic to just stand up and walk.

    Again, I don't complain, that that ended a possible friendship (or even more maybe). I fully understood and still understands it. But it was simply not in my range, to just "show up. It might be hard to believe me there, but that's all I can say about it.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

    The difference is what you do around it.

    Friend's birthday is coming up next week, and they care about you and you wanna show you care about them? Well the day before (or whatever timeline you need), you don't do anything that drains your batteries, or do things to recharge them, so that when it's time to go to the party, the battery is full.

    Have you read the story in my link? Getting out of bed, brushing your teeth, putting on clothes, leaving the house (because your boss do not accept a "no" regarding his demands for you to work today, and you need that job to pay your bills [or debts even]), etc. already costs. For a normal person, this would maybe count as recharge, if you skip yoga and pilates orders food instead of cooking yourself (if you have the money to do so, that is to say). For me on my bad days, this isn't recharging, but going way over my limits. Plus one can have good or bad days and believe that it'll be fine only to wake up, when the birthday is and … "shit"!

    Believe me! I've been there and I've done that (loosing a persons friendship, because it was simply impossible to follow their invitation and celebrate that day with them together. It isn't that easy, if your (here mental) health isn't "normal", as it may seem to you.

    If we give it a number, then let's say a birthday gift costs 50. It doesn't matter if your battery holds 100 or 100, save 50 for the party.

    And if your battery, without doing anything else, is at 10 or 20 … whilst the party costs 50? That was my situation, where a could be friendship ended.

    […] they just don't spend their battery unless it's a benefit to them. They won't spend it on one of their friends unless it's one of like, 2 specific people, so it's an excuse.

    Well, I have zero friends nowadays. So no excuse here. Plus I know of people whom, by their lack of friends, are going insane/suicidal, so I doubt them to only be presenting excuses there as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    That's still the difference. I also feel spent and use the battery analogy in my day to day life. My "capacity" is pretty decent, I can afford things, but I have to manage it, and yeah, so much is a cost, even things you'd never expect.

    If we say a party costs 50 and your battery is at 20, that sucks. That relative I mentioned has been suicidal over this, and its entirely possible that their inability to manage that battery is directly caused by their mental health struggles, too. I'm not claiming they're a bad person, when I say they're a bad friend. I'm saying they aren't going to be there for those that call them "friend". It has absolutely been a lifelong struggle for them, and that sucks, but they cannot do it. I cannot power a laptop with a standard phone charger, even if they're both USB-C, and this person I know isn't a good friend outside of a very small group they have.

    I don't mean to sound like a dick when I say that, everyone's different and we have different struggles, different things take a different amount of battery or take more or less spoons.

    The issue of "how do you tell if someone's running on empty or just not willing to put energy into it?" is a whole separate issue than "this costs more battery than I have when fully charged". The solution to the first, is managing your charge. The answer to the second, I dunno. To me, that feels like the mental health equivalent of asking if this mole looks cancery online, and if I was in that situation, I'd be seeing a therapist or a med manager about it. Not saying you haven't tried or anything, I'm just saying I don't know the answer to that, and I have the feeling the answer is way deeper than someone on the internet will be able to go. I sincerely hope things go well for you, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    My questions were rather rhetorical, as I too doubt, that one can easily distinguish between those with low batteries and those who may only claim to have low batteries (which is why opposed the "just be a friend" request from the top post in the first place. "Just be a friend" is not always that simple).

    I wasn't "really" asking for advice or the like. Sorry if I made the expression. I was rather just trying to speak on other peoples behalf. Thanks nevertheless for the good wishes.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    In a case like that, just plan to go for 30 minutes. Just making the effort to show up goes a long way. You'll find that often you end up staying longer and it's fine, because the hard part all along was passing through the door.

    Sometimes, if you want to nurture friendships, you need to let your battery go negative sometimes.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    Was in that situation and nope … 30 minutes would have not even been the travel to them and even if I had lived next door to them: I would not have been able to make it there for 30 minutes. I accept that they never invited me to anything again and that we are not in contact any more (for other reasons as well) and I understand their response, but still: I was not able to!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I think it's mostly about the imbalance. If you struggle with mental health and have very limited capacity for social interaction then you can't have a bunch of close friends because friendships require effort to maintain them.

    In general this is an issue of our time because we have to deal with a lot of information and communication in our day to day life (specifically work) so there's not much juice/battery/spoons/whatever-you-want-to-call-it left at the end of the day.

    My parents would always tell me about how much harder their schedules were when they had to feed cattle and clean barns all day but those are physical tasks. They'd go socialize after all this work because their brains were craving it and ignoring some sore muscles is easier than ignoring a sore brain.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    Agreed, and since I do not crave for friendship or social interaction, I'm even fine with not having any friends. Yet there are still those who do crave for friendships, whilst simply not having the energy to invest into them adequately. And for those I still feel sorry. Because of what I see: it doesn't make things easier for them.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago

    Nah you're right. I have this 'social battery' thing, and I am a very good friend. In fact being with my friends doesn't drain my battery at all (except a couple of them when they get their hands on some substances, but that's another matter), and when there's an occasion that could be specially draining (like a birthday with many people I don't know, noise/loud music, or whatever) I would do some preparations to keep the battery charged beforehand. For a birthday, if they are only a classmate and not really a friend I might very well pass, tho.

    That 'nobody wants to BE a friend' oozes the same entitlement that 'nobody wants to work'. If your 'friends' don't want to go to your birthday it is, very likely, because you're a cunt and a bad friend yourself, Kari, and they were trying to be polite with the battery excuse.

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