▲ 60 ▼ Saxony-Anhalt: Digesting the AfD's landmark election win (www.dw.com) submitted 19 hours ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/europe@feddit.org 55 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe -2 points 18 hours ago (2 children) tldr that website sucks what’s the result and the long term implications? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 5715@feddit.org 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children) the fascists likely didn't get a super majority, but might be in that state's government as major coalition partner anyway. long term: political disorder within germany's inter-state federal politics, possible political firewall ("Brandmauer") against an entire federal state, possible conflict with NATO over logistics, Germany "being busy with itself" etc... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 9 points 14 hours ago* (1 child) so more chaos then which is fascism stage 1 :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 13 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Actually it's stage 3/4 of 5. Fringe: just a couple people meeting in a bar Normalization: go out and do protests, interviews, etc. People hate your ideas still, but you just keep saying them until they're normal. Mainstream: established parties get scared, start talking the radical positions to get voters back, thereby proving that the positions are actually fine! So why vote for the cheap copy then, if you can have the original? Power: win elections, start dismantling some Democratic institutions. Gleichschaltung: take over total power via manufactured coup etc. Then dismantle anything that's left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child) sorry i was being flippant, thank you for the actual list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) No, many people don't know, I just try to post it everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago yep awareness is important permalink fedilink source parent [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago Didn't their main candidate rule out doing any coalition to build a government, i.e. government only if the AfD has the absolute majority? permalink fedilink source parent [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 child) It literally explained all of that in the article. I don't understand what sucked about the website, found it perfectly usable myself. I did reject all cookies when it asked though, so maybe that helped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe -3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) the immediate WE WANT YOUR DATA for one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children) You mean the legally-mandated GDPR cookie notice? That have existed for over a decade? Have you visited the internet before yesterday? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child) The cookie notice isn't legally mandated. It is legally mandated to ask users before collecting Data you don't actually need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ Cookies are considered 'personal data' under GDPR and ePrivacy directive of the EU, requiring informed user consent for any non-essential cookie - what is non-essential is highly debated, which is why essentially any significant website in the EU errs on the side of caution and uses a cookie popup. Name any EU news website that doesn't use cookies in some form and have a cookie popup, I'll consider my statement inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 30 minutes ago i don’t have an example but one of the the privacy blogs i watch had numerous examples of even eu websites that were in violation and there being no consequences (i think it was ben jordan) mostly it was around the pop up not properly following the requirement but in some cases there just wasn't one now this was older so maybe they’ve since fixed themselves but this was after like a year or two of the requirement going into enactment so it wasnt an accident they were not in compliance permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago* lmao being told they are fucking you doesn’t make it good, and i wonder why they were legally forced to do so… i have all that shit blocked on pc so no that part of the internet doest interact with me outside of my phone and lemmy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 5715@feddit.org 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children) the fascists likely didn't get a super majority, but might be in that state's government as major coalition partner anyway. long term: political disorder within germany's inter-state federal politics, possible political firewall ("Brandmauer") against an entire federal state, possible conflict with NATO over logistics, Germany "being busy with itself" etc... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 9 points 14 hours ago* (1 child) so more chaos then which is fascism stage 1 :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 13 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Actually it's stage 3/4 of 5. Fringe: just a couple people meeting in a bar Normalization: go out and do protests, interviews, etc. People hate your ideas still, but you just keep saying them until they're normal. Mainstream: established parties get scared, start talking the radical positions to get voters back, thereby proving that the positions are actually fine! So why vote for the cheap copy then, if you can have the original? Power: win elections, start dismantling some Democratic institutions. Gleichschaltung: take over total power via manufactured coup etc. Then dismantle anything that's left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child) sorry i was being flippant, thank you for the actual list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) No, many people don't know, I just try to post it everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago yep awareness is important permalink fedilink source parent [–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago Didn't their main candidate rule out doing any coalition to build a government, i.e. government only if the AfD has the absolute majority? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 9 points 14 hours ago* (1 child) so more chaos then which is fascism stage 1 :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 13 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Actually it's stage 3/4 of 5. Fringe: just a couple people meeting in a bar Normalization: go out and do protests, interviews, etc. People hate your ideas still, but you just keep saying them until they're normal. Mainstream: established parties get scared, start talking the radical positions to get voters back, thereby proving that the positions are actually fine! So why vote for the cheap copy then, if you can have the original? Power: win elections, start dismantling some Democratic institutions. Gleichschaltung: take over total power via manufactured coup etc. Then dismantle anything that's left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child) sorry i was being flippant, thank you for the actual list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) No, many people don't know, I just try to post it everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago yep awareness is important permalink fedilink source parent
[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 13 points 10 hours ago (1 child) Actually it's stage 3/4 of 5. Fringe: just a couple people meeting in a bar Normalization: go out and do protests, interviews, etc. People hate your ideas still, but you just keep saying them until they're normal. Mainstream: established parties get scared, start talking the radical positions to get voters back, thereby proving that the positions are actually fine! So why vote for the cheap copy then, if you can have the original? Power: win elections, start dismantling some Democratic institutions. Gleichschaltung: take over total power via manufactured coup etc. Then dismantle anything that's left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child) sorry i was being flippant, thank you for the actual list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) No, many people don't know, I just try to post it everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago yep awareness is important permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child) sorry i was being flippant, thank you for the actual list permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) No, many people don't know, I just try to post it everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago yep awareness is important permalink fedilink source parent
[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) No, many people don't know, I just try to post it everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago yep awareness is important permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago yep awareness is important permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago Didn't their main candidate rule out doing any coalition to build a government, i.e. government only if the AfD has the absolute majority? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 child) It literally explained all of that in the article. I don't understand what sucked about the website, found it perfectly usable myself. I did reject all cookies when it asked though, so maybe that helped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe -3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) the immediate WE WANT YOUR DATA for one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children) You mean the legally-mandated GDPR cookie notice? That have existed for over a decade? Have you visited the internet before yesterday? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child) The cookie notice isn't legally mandated. It is legally mandated to ask users before collecting Data you don't actually need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ Cookies are considered 'personal data' under GDPR and ePrivacy directive of the EU, requiring informed user consent for any non-essential cookie - what is non-essential is highly debated, which is why essentially any significant website in the EU errs on the side of caution and uses a cookie popup. Name any EU news website that doesn't use cookies in some form and have a cookie popup, I'll consider my statement inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 30 minutes ago i don’t have an example but one of the the privacy blogs i watch had numerous examples of even eu websites that were in violation and there being no consequences (i think it was ben jordan) mostly it was around the pop up not properly following the requirement but in some cases there just wasn't one now this was older so maybe they’ve since fixed themselves but this was after like a year or two of the requirement going into enactment so it wasnt an accident they were not in compliance permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago* lmao being told they are fucking you doesn’t make it good, and i wonder why they were legally forced to do so… i have all that shit blocked on pc so no that part of the internet doest interact with me outside of my phone and lemmy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe -3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) the immediate WE WANT YOUR DATA for one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children) You mean the legally-mandated GDPR cookie notice? That have existed for over a decade? Have you visited the internet before yesterday? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child) The cookie notice isn't legally mandated. It is legally mandated to ask users before collecting Data you don't actually need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ Cookies are considered 'personal data' under GDPR and ePrivacy directive of the EU, requiring informed user consent for any non-essential cookie - what is non-essential is highly debated, which is why essentially any significant website in the EU errs on the side of caution and uses a cookie popup. Name any EU news website that doesn't use cookies in some form and have a cookie popup, I'll consider my statement inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 30 minutes ago i don’t have an example but one of the the privacy blogs i watch had numerous examples of even eu websites that were in violation and there being no consequences (i think it was ben jordan) mostly it was around the pop up not properly following the requirement but in some cases there just wasn't one now this was older so maybe they’ve since fixed themselves but this was after like a year or two of the requirement going into enactment so it wasnt an accident they were not in compliance permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago* lmao being told they are fucking you doesn’t make it good, and i wonder why they were legally forced to do so… i have all that shit blocked on pc so no that part of the internet doest interact with me outside of my phone and lemmy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children) You mean the legally-mandated GDPR cookie notice? That have existed for over a decade? Have you visited the internet before yesterday? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child) The cookie notice isn't legally mandated. It is legally mandated to ask users before collecting Data you don't actually need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ Cookies are considered 'personal data' under GDPR and ePrivacy directive of the EU, requiring informed user consent for any non-essential cookie - what is non-essential is highly debated, which is why essentially any significant website in the EU errs on the side of caution and uses a cookie popup. Name any EU news website that doesn't use cookies in some form and have a cookie popup, I'll consider my statement inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 30 minutes ago i don’t have an example but one of the the privacy blogs i watch had numerous examples of even eu websites that were in violation and there being no consequences (i think it was ben jordan) mostly it was around the pop up not properly following the requirement but in some cases there just wasn't one now this was older so maybe they’ve since fixed themselves but this was after like a year or two of the requirement going into enactment so it wasnt an accident they were not in compliance permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago* lmao being told they are fucking you doesn’t make it good, and i wonder why they were legally forced to do so… i have all that shit blocked on pc so no that part of the internet doest interact with me outside of my phone and lemmy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child) The cookie notice isn't legally mandated. It is legally mandated to ask users before collecting Data you don't actually need. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ Cookies are considered 'personal data' under GDPR and ePrivacy directive of the EU, requiring informed user consent for any non-essential cookie - what is non-essential is highly debated, which is why essentially any significant website in the EU errs on the side of caution and uses a cookie popup. Name any EU news website that doesn't use cookies in some form and have a cookie popup, I'll consider my statement inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 30 minutes ago i don’t have an example but one of the the privacy blogs i watch had numerous examples of even eu websites that were in violation and there being no consequences (i think it was ben jordan) mostly it was around the pop up not properly following the requirement but in some cases there just wasn't one now this was older so maybe they’ve since fixed themselves but this was after like a year or two of the requirement going into enactment so it wasnt an accident they were not in compliance permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child) https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ Cookies are considered 'personal data' under GDPR and ePrivacy directive of the EU, requiring informed user consent for any non-essential cookie - what is non-essential is highly debated, which is why essentially any significant website in the EU errs on the side of caution and uses a cookie popup. Name any EU news website that doesn't use cookies in some form and have a cookie popup, I'll consider my statement inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 30 minutes ago i don’t have an example but one of the the privacy blogs i watch had numerous examples of even eu websites that were in violation and there being no consequences (i think it was ben jordan) mostly it was around the pop up not properly following the requirement but in some cases there just wasn't one now this was older so maybe they’ve since fixed themselves but this was after like a year or two of the requirement going into enactment so it wasnt an accident they were not in compliance permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 30 minutes ago i don’t have an example but one of the the privacy blogs i watch had numerous examples of even eu websites that were in violation and there being no consequences (i think it was ben jordan) mostly it was around the pop up not properly following the requirement but in some cases there just wasn't one now this was older so maybe they’ve since fixed themselves but this was after like a year or two of the requirement going into enactment so it wasnt an accident they were not in compliance permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 6 hours ago* lmao being told they are fucking you doesn’t make it good, and i wonder why they were legally forced to do so… i have all that shit blocked on pc so no that part of the internet doest interact with me outside of my phone and lemmy permalink fedilink source parent