▲ 152 ▼ 06 September 1989 (thelemmy.club) submitted 3 days ago by dailycomic@sh.itjust.works [B] to c/calvinandhobbes@lemmy.world 14 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 63 points 3 days ago (6 children) As a non american, the pledge of allegiance thing is absolutely wild to me. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] limelight79@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago I belong to an international club of rv owners. They still recite the pledge of allegiance. Me: "The club name ends with 'International,' not 'USA USA USA.'" Drove me nuts. I imagine our Canadian members were just like, "Just smile and nod." And if you suggested getting rid of it, the pitchforks would be out in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] christian@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 days ago* (1 child) I learned the pledge of allegiance way before I had understanding of the words "pledge" or "allegiance" or half the words we needed to recite. It has no meaning to a six-year-old, and by the time I was capable of understanding meaning I had so deeply ingrained it as an annoying meaningless ritual that it never crossed my mind. I'm now in my thirties and reading your comment is the first time it's hit me that the words are intended to have more ideological significance than putting your socks on. When you say it out loud it's obvious, but having to perform or hearing a mention of the pledge has consistently gotten the same amount of attention from me as one pant leg going on before the other one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isyasad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago There's a 1964 short story called "The Children's Story" by James Clavell about how scary it would be if the communists took over and replaced your elementary school teacher with somebody who questioned what the pledge of allegiance means and was otherwise an evil atheist commie. It's a REALLY interesting read today because the new commie teacher brings up a lot of good points. It's interesting to think that that's what people were so afraid of, that somebody would tell students that they shouldn't say the pledge of allegiance without knowing what it means. I deleted a ramble here about how good it is but it's really worth a read or reread. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago (1 child) It was an anti-communist thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 child) Also a way of selling flags, IIRC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* The original was to sell flags, and was written by a flag salesman. In the 1950s or 1960s they added the phrase "under God," in between the words "one nation, indivisible." I never said the "under God" part, because my grandparents told me I didn't have to, since it was just "commie scare crap, because of that McCarthy fool." I stopped saying it altogether in 4th grade when I found out it was optional permalink fedilink source parent [–] luthis@lemmy.nz 13 points 3 days ago (1 child) It comes across as very culty permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago This, it is very much an indoctrination. Add to that the tearing down of education, especially in the formative years, and the recipe for decades long cult behavior is glued in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] espentan@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago It's absolutely bonkers, but that's kinda their theme. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) As a Brazilian, it reminds me of the "love for fatherland" the military dictatorship tried to instill into schools starting in the late 60s. Before starting classes proper, all students would stand up in line on the patio, sing the national anthem and any kids found misbehaving would get punished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago You're not swearing to serve country and flag with the anthem, though. It's like the crazy generals looked at that and went "no, that's too far". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago I belong to an international club of rv owners. They still recite the pledge of allegiance. Me: "The club name ends with 'International,' not 'USA USA USA.'" Drove me nuts. I imagine our Canadian members were just like, "Just smile and nod." And if you suggested getting rid of it, the pitchforks would be out in a heartbeat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] christian@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 days ago* (1 child) I learned the pledge of allegiance way before I had understanding of the words "pledge" or "allegiance" or half the words we needed to recite. It has no meaning to a six-year-old, and by the time I was capable of understanding meaning I had so deeply ingrained it as an annoying meaningless ritual that it never crossed my mind. I'm now in my thirties and reading your comment is the first time it's hit me that the words are intended to have more ideological significance than putting your socks on. When you say it out loud it's obvious, but having to perform or hearing a mention of the pledge has consistently gotten the same amount of attention from me as one pant leg going on before the other one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] isyasad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago There's a 1964 short story called "The Children's Story" by James Clavell about how scary it would be if the communists took over and replaced your elementary school teacher with somebody who questioned what the pledge of allegiance means and was otherwise an evil atheist commie. It's a REALLY interesting read today because the new commie teacher brings up a lot of good points. It's interesting to think that that's what people were so afraid of, that somebody would tell students that they shouldn't say the pledge of allegiance without knowing what it means. I deleted a ramble here about how good it is but it's really worth a read or reread. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isyasad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago There's a 1964 short story called "The Children's Story" by James Clavell about how scary it would be if the communists took over and replaced your elementary school teacher with somebody who questioned what the pledge of allegiance means and was otherwise an evil atheist commie. It's a REALLY interesting read today because the new commie teacher brings up a lot of good points. It's interesting to think that that's what people were so afraid of, that somebody would tell students that they shouldn't say the pledge of allegiance without knowing what it means. I deleted a ramble here about how good it is but it's really worth a read or reread. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago (1 child) It was an anti-communist thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 child) Also a way of selling flags, IIRC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* The original was to sell flags, and was written by a flag salesman. In the 1950s or 1960s they added the phrase "under God," in between the words "one nation, indivisible." I never said the "under God" part, because my grandparents told me I didn't have to, since it was just "commie scare crap, because of that McCarthy fool." I stopped saying it altogether in 4th grade when I found out it was optional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 child) Also a way of selling flags, IIRC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* The original was to sell flags, and was written by a flag salesman. In the 1950s or 1960s they added the phrase "under God," in between the words "one nation, indivisible." I never said the "under God" part, because my grandparents told me I didn't have to, since it was just "commie scare crap, because of that McCarthy fool." I stopped saying it altogether in 4th grade when I found out it was optional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* The original was to sell flags, and was written by a flag salesman. In the 1950s or 1960s they added the phrase "under God," in between the words "one nation, indivisible." I never said the "under God" part, because my grandparents told me I didn't have to, since it was just "commie scare crap, because of that McCarthy fool." I stopped saying it altogether in 4th grade when I found out it was optional permalink fedilink source parent
[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 13 points 3 days ago (1 child) It comes across as very culty permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago This, it is very much an indoctrination. Add to that the tearing down of education, especially in the formative years, and the recipe for decades long cult behavior is glued in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago This, it is very much an indoctrination. Add to that the tearing down of education, especially in the formative years, and the recipe for decades long cult behavior is glued in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] espentan@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago It's absolutely bonkers, but that's kinda their theme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) As a Brazilian, it reminds me of the "love for fatherland" the military dictatorship tried to instill into schools starting in the late 60s. Before starting classes proper, all students would stand up in line on the patio, sing the national anthem and any kids found misbehaving would get punished. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago You're not swearing to serve country and flag with the anthem, though. It's like the crazy generals looked at that and went "no, that's too far". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago You're not swearing to serve country and flag with the anthem, though. It's like the crazy generals looked at that and went "no, that's too far". permalink fedilink source parent