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Comrads, we must provide critical support, not critical thinking! (thelemmy.club)
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[–] [S] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Delete this post.

Nah, this meme is about the Russia-supporting dorks we see so much of. You don't want to see more jokes about losers who twist themselves into intellectually and morally bankrupt shapes to defend authoritarianism, block button's right there, because I'm gonna keep clowning on em :)

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  • [–] -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Why can't you explain what you think Russia should have done in response to NATO's actions?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    Funny thing, if Russia had just done nothing, they would be better off in every conceivable metric.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn't have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You're being propagandized... Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism...)

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago

    Russia wouldn’t have been a target

    "Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy".

    they possess too many nuclear weapons

    Didn't stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK.
    Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far.
    Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are.

    You’re being propagandized

    This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    NATO has been (self-admittedly) pushing for the war with Russia for years.

    No, they haven't.

    Also, consider that your suggestion didn’t work for, for example, Iran. Iran did nothing, and yet, you empire still attacked it.

    Russia has nukes. Iran doesn't.

    Better how?

    They would be at peace, and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    No, they haven’t.

    Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia's membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia.

    Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t.

    And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways.

    They would be at peace,

    Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why?

    and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.

    Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO's capabilities against near-peers.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia,

    Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you're describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war.

    refusing Russia’s membership in NATO

    Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse.

    and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO

    By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want.

    Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes

    That's not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though.

    Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.

    NATO isn't a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense.

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    Nations can join whichever alliance they wish

    Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis.

    What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war.

    Haha. "Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us", "if we didn't make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn't be the war". Really not pushing for war, yeah.

    Also, cute how you talk about "Russian imperialism" while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world.

    Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse.

    Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn't happen during talks.

    Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South.

    By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want.

    Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that.

    That’s not true.

    Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action
    You: none of that happened.

    NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war.

    This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO's side.

    Also, it's weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is... But what do I expect of tankies anyway...

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  • [–] -2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about "Russian propaganda".

    Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something "Russian propaganda" makes things untrue.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Eh lol maybe just end this stupid war! Where they are the unquestionable aggressor of...

    This war is so stupid on many levels... But Puttler cannot back down anymore without loosing his face, kinda sad situation...

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Eh lol maybe just end this stupid war!

    It did try to negotiate peace, but the European powers that are the masters of Ukraine right now do not understand that language, it seems.

    Where they are the unquestionable aggressor of…

    So, you are saying that NATO pushing for war with Russia, carrying out a coup in Ukraine, breaking promises to not expand towards Russia, and generally being the most prolific invader in the world is not aggression? Haha.

    So, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops on that state's borders (or otherwise in position, like in the case of Iran), especially after a coup against a neighbouring state?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    Lol peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.

    I hate USA's world policing as well and their imperalism, but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn't get love fantasies of Hitler... You can try to turn it as much as you like, russia is the aggressor, they didn't had to invade (the krim in the first palce btw.).

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    peace could be established tomorrow when they back out of their invasion.

    NATO would keep up its aggression against Russia, so peace can't be achieved that way (unless you think that the rest of the world being subjugated by NATO is "peace").

    Meanwhile, the European powers could have agree to peace at many points, including in March, 2022, and including before 2022, and including by not doing the coup in 2013-2014.

    I hate USA’s world policing as well

    Firstly, you still believe whatever it says about its enemies. If you were alive back then, you would have believed Nayirah's testimony.
    Secondly, calling colonialism "world policing" is incredibly disingenuous and whitewashy.

    but this conflict would not exist, when Putler didn’t get love fantasies of Hitler

    Incredibly weird to claim this, considering that you support governments that worship personal friends of Hitler's, shutzstaffel troops, and other participants in the Holocaust and the Lebensraum.

    Also, it's very obvious that the conflict would not have happened without NATO pushing for it.

    russia is the aggressor they didn’t had to invade.

    You are yet to explain what Russia should have done.

    (the krim in the first palce btw.)

    So, you think that the people of Crimea do not deserve self-determination? Do consider that even NATO studies agree that they wanted to split from Ukraine and join Russia.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 days ago

    peace at many points

    Yeah by giving up territory of the ukraine, sorry but not sorry... I don't don't see this as a valid option for the Ukraine. They were invaded! Actually I think even that Russia would need to pay for these war crimes, although I think the peace-deal would be far less.

    This is just stupid imperialism at its finest, fucking russia destabilizing world peace. USA is bad here too, but russias way to initiate propaganda throughout the (not just) western world. It's just sad.. That is just destructive by all means (erodes any real social progress, for example in europe, or well this stupid Trump). I think the development for example in Europe where all kinds of right-wing parties are emerging, supporting Russia for "whatever" reason and eroding any factuality/morality and social progress.

    You are yet to explain what Russia should have done.

    Just not fucking invade Ukraine, god damn it, Is it that difficult to understand?? They should just care more about their own people instead of trying to externalize all this internal damage due to Putin of their eroding economy they have.

    Also, it’s very obvious that the conflict would not have happened without NATO pushing for it. NATO would keep up its aggression against Russia

    Lol care to give me some factual sources about NATO invading russias territory??

    I don't like NATO, especially the bootlicking of Mark Rutte regarding Trump. But Russia or rather Putin is just straight up an imperialistic dictator, disregarding their own economy and slowly eroding their economy and welfare, the development of Russia since Gorbatschow is so sad.

    Would be nice if China would be more like the Blueprint for Russia, they are at least rather peaceful (yet), and thinking more about their people and general progress (e.g. by Not destroying the world with fossil fuels, i.e. switching hard to renewable energy).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    What I find so sad about you tankies is how you just put everything in categories, like "those evil liberals" (sure the propaganda in the USA is also plain stupid, like communism used as some term of scaring someone etc.)

    That the world is more complex, and authoritarian means are not the solution to establish healthy socialism long term... Russia or Puttler is purely destructive on basically all scales (now unquestionably joined by USA with their entirely idiotic leader)

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago

    you tankies is how you just put everything in categories, like “those evil liberals”

    Russia or Puttler is purely destructive on basically all scales

    OP: "Tankies be like supporting slave holders"

    Is there like a single introspective thought rattling in your brain? Or still constipated?

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