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[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) Funny thing, if Russia had just done nothing, they would be better off in every conceivable metric. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 child) Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn't have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You're being propagandized... Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago Russia wouldn’t have been a target "Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy". they possess too many nuclear weapons Didn't stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK. Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far. Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are. You’re being propagandized This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 days ago (1 child) NATO has been (self-admittedly) pushing for the war with Russia for years. No, they haven't. Also, consider that your suggestion didn’t work for, for example, Iran. Iran did nothing, and yet, you empire still attacked it. Russia has nukes. Iran doesn't. Better how? They would be at peace, and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago (2 children) No, they haven’t. Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia's membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia. Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t. And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways. They would be at peace, Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why? and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO's capabilities against near-peers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you're describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. refusing Russia’s membership in NATO Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes That's not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers. NATO isn't a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Nations can join whichever alliance they wish Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. Haha. "Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us", "if we didn't make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn't be the war". Really not pushing for war, yeah. Also, cute how you talk about "Russian imperialism" while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world. Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn't happen during talks. Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South. By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that. That’s not true. Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action You: none of that happened. NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO's side. Also, it's weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is... But what do I expect of tankies anyway... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about "Russian propaganda". Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something "Russian propaganda" makes things untrue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you're spreading. makes things untrue. As I said, I'm waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 child) Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn't have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You're being propagandized... Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago Russia wouldn’t have been a target "Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy". they possess too many nuclear weapons Didn't stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK. Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far. Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are. You’re being propagandized This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 days ago (1 child) NATO has been (self-admittedly) pushing for the war with Russia for years. No, they haven't. Also, consider that your suggestion didn’t work for, for example, Iran. Iran did nothing, and yet, you empire still attacked it. Russia has nukes. Iran doesn't. Better how? They would be at peace, and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago (2 children) No, they haven’t. Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia's membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia. Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t. And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways. They would be at peace, Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why? and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO's capabilities against near-peers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you're describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. refusing Russia’s membership in NATO Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes That's not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers. NATO isn't a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Nations can join whichever alliance they wish Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. Haha. "Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us", "if we didn't make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn't be the war". Really not pushing for war, yeah. Also, cute how you talk about "Russian imperialism" while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world. Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn't happen during talks. Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South. By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that. That’s not true. Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action You: none of that happened. NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO's side. Also, it's weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is... But what do I expect of tankies anyway... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about "Russian propaganda". Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something "Russian propaganda" makes things untrue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you're spreading. makes things untrue. As I said, I'm waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 child) Sooo stupid, Russia wouldn't have been a target, they possess too many nuclear weapons to risk having war with them (directly). You're being propagandized... Russian trolls are going brrr right now to destabilise the world sadly, result: more fascistic tendencies (further fuelled by capitalism...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago Russia wouldn’t have been a target "Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy". they possess too many nuclear weapons Didn't stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK. Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far. Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are. You’re being propagandized This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago Russia wouldn’t have been a target "Just trust the most prolific invader in the world, which has been constantly invading and breaking promises, to not attack their enemy this particular time, even after admitting to pushing for war with said enemy". they possess too many nuclear weapons Didn't stop NATO from antagonising the USSR, the PRC, the DPRK. Also, NATO has been literally targeting civilians in Russia, attacking nuclear power plants, and committing other war crimes, with no nuclear strikes so far. Safe to say that you overestimate how much of a deterrence nuclear weapons are. You’re being propagandized This is said by a person that can only regurgitate propaganda of the most expensive propaganda machine in the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 days ago (1 child) NATO has been (self-admittedly) pushing for the war with Russia for years. No, they haven't. Also, consider that your suggestion didn’t work for, for example, Iran. Iran did nothing, and yet, you empire still attacked it. Russia has nukes. Iran doesn't. Better how? They would be at peace, and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago (2 children) No, they haven’t. Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia's membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia. Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t. And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways. They would be at peace, Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why? and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO's capabilities against near-peers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you're describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. refusing Russia’s membership in NATO Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes That's not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers. NATO isn't a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Nations can join whichever alliance they wish Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. Haha. "Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us", "if we didn't make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn't be the war". Really not pushing for war, yeah. Also, cute how you talk about "Russian imperialism" while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world. Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn't happen during talks. Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South. By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that. That’s not true. Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action You: none of that happened. NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO's side. Also, it's weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is... But what do I expect of tankies anyway... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about "Russian propaganda". Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something "Russian propaganda" makes things untrue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you're spreading. makes things untrue. As I said, I'm waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago (2 children) No, they haven’t. Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia's membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia. Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t. And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways. They would be at peace, Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why? and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO's capabilities against near-peers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you're describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. refusing Russia’s membership in NATO Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes That's not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers. NATO isn't a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Nations can join whichever alliance they wish Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. Haha. "Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us", "if we didn't make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn't be the war". Really not pushing for war, yeah. Also, cute how you talk about "Russian imperialism" while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world. Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn't happen during talks. Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South. By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that. That’s not true. Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action You: none of that happened. NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO's side. Also, it's weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is... But what do I expect of tankies anyway... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about "Russian propaganda". Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something "Russian propaganda" makes things untrue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you're spreading. makes things untrue. As I said, I'm waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 days ago (1 child) Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you're describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. refusing Russia’s membership in NATO Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes That's not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though. Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers. NATO isn't a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Nations can join whichever alliance they wish Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. Haha. "Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us", "if we didn't make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn't be the war". Really not pushing for war, yeah. Also, cute how you talk about "Russian imperialism" while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world. Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn't happen during talks. Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South. By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that. That’s not true. Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action You: none of that happened. NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO's side. Also, it's weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago Nations can join whichever alliance they wish Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war. Haha. "Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us", "if we didn't make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn't be the war". Really not pushing for war, yeah. Also, cute how you talk about "Russian imperialism" while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world. Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse. Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn't happen during talks. Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South. By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want. Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that. That’s not true. Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action You: none of that happened. NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO's side. Also, it's weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 child) Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is... But what do I expect of tankies anyway... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about "Russian propaganda". Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something "Russian propaganda" makes things untrue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you're spreading. makes things untrue. As I said, I'm waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago (1 child) Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about "Russian propaganda". Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something "Russian propaganda" makes things untrue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you're spreading. makes things untrue. As I said, I'm waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you're spreading. makes things untrue. As I said, I'm waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral... permalink fedilink source parent
