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Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a “good story” for Europe if it were to “drive these people into a corner”.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

But it's not exactly a threat is it? It's a very reasonable observation about how Ukrainian refugees might feel and behave.

Wouldn't you feel the same way? Your country gets invaded, you flee to a generous supporting friendly country. That country stops being supporting, and your chances to return home start to vanish. You didn't choose to be here. Now you're stuck in a foreign country that you feel could be doing more to fight injustice and give you a chance to return home.

He's the president of a democracy, not a mind controller. People will feel a certain way. He's simply observing this potential situation, as a warning to the allies not to slide into complacency.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You didn’t choose to be here. Now you’re stuck in a foreign country that you feel could be doing more to fight injustice and give you a chance to return home.

Couldn't this part apply to most of the world's refugees?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah but most of the world's refugees get less tv coverage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Sure, but it really makes refugees that are still residents in a resident country ungrateful jerks and Xenophobic bastards will spread this rhetoric like butter...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's the story for virtually every refugee in existence, the vast majority getting zero support. The USA has created tens of millions of them in the past few years. Which terrorist acts have they committed?

"It's completely reasonable to attack your benefactors!" What the fuck is wrong with you?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I see it less as a threat that they will do something in that country, it is that they will want to leave and go back to fight for Ukraine and they will be no longer working in the country they went to, if these countries were getting labor from the refugees then they will lose that as they leave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is looking for soldiers so it shouldn't be a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This one has layers. Slave exploitation of refugees and the threat of its removal. Wtf am I reading?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Which, of course, condones terrorism because Ukrainians are white and Muslims are not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you flee to a generous supporting friendly country

You didn't choose to be here

Huh?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not OP, but they didn't flee to the country just for funsies but because there's war raging in their home country. They didn't choose to emigrate to a certain country because they always wanted to live there but because they feared for their lives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of people, maybe. There’s also a pretty solid minority of people who see this as a great way of making some easy bucks (it absolutely is, if you think about it).

And before you say I’m making this up, this is based both on stories told by Ukrainian acquaintances about people they know who emigrated, and personal experiences with the average refugee who left.

Don’t forget that becoming a refugee IS a privilege generally reserved for those with enough money to make the trip, not for the poor bastard dying for his country.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

So you agree that the overwhelming majority of the people fled the country for totally legitimate reasons? Then why does this point need to be made at all? Ukraine isn't some African country where people need to struggle for basic necessities, it's mostly a developed first world country. Most people don't need to go anywhere for a better life, let alone get put into a room in Berlin with their entire family. How about we stop downplaying the immense tragedy of having to leave your entire life behind in fear of being killed because some dipshits take advantage?