That's not just electric cars, thats just included as fascism grows.

Right! I'd go for an electric with none of those gimmicks (and non of all those mainenance-heavy ICE attachments) ... just an 80s-style cushy car with battery, radio & music player ... in a minute.

This is why i only buy used old cars. Until we have cars without spyware I'll never go electric.

Laws required:

• zero cameras on or in cars.
• Everything required to be user repairable (within reason. Obviously a battery pack may not be fixable)
• headlights shall be below xxx lumens on bright, and or have a 3 position switch to change them from "blind everyone" to "pretty bright" to "low beam to not blind every person oncoming"

Why can't we have nice things? (Billionaires is why). Imagine how much our lives would improve from these laws.

My leaf just has buttons for all the things that normally have buttons. There is a touchscreen, but you can use buttons to control it.

Its possible but I think its cheaper to just use a screen, and we all know that nothing is more important than Line Go Up.

Yeah, we're at 110k miles on our original batteries (standard hybrid) and not seeing a significant drop in mileage yet. The dude at the dealership kept trying to convince me that the batteries would go bad every 40k and it'd be 8 large at least for a new battery. I wouldn't have bought new if I could have gotten that one damn feature I wanted used, and that damn safety feature has literally kept us out of accidents.

I still can't eat my lunch in the back seat in a parking lot without getting hit by a car though. Fucking wreck magnet I am.

It's completely self proclaimed, but I'm a battery guy and electronics and automotive repair type of guy. Right down to rebuilding my gen 2 Prius battery that now has about 300,000 miles (482,000 km) on it, including when the original battery failed.

You should worry about both of those things if you're buying used.

Prius batteries last so long because they keep a pretty narrow charge\discharge range, despite the total batteries capacity.

But beyond that, the EV batteries in almost all the fully electric vehicles on the road don't have a km used until failure issue. They have an age issue. Lithium batteries have a shelf life, so to speak. It doesn't matter if the battery has 30,000 km on it or 300,000 km. None of them will last beyond 20 years before they start going bad and there's nothing you can do about it.

That being said, LifePO4 are absolutely the most chemically stable and long lasting lithium based battery currently in any EV's. if you're in the market for an older EV with a lithium battery, either plan on replacing the entire battery at some point (check how much it may cost you. Ranges from $6,000 to over $25,000 in some cases) or at least find one that uses LifePO4 as the battery.

Jury is still out on the semi solid state or solid state batteries. Sodium based batteries "should" outlast the vehicle they're in, but there aren't many in production outside of China yet and they aren't as energy dense so will typically be in shorter ranged vehicles.

It totally sucks that everything is littered with hard to get to and expensive to replace electronics they all use. It will be a pain trying to have a classic ev in the future when caps start leaking everywhere and you can't find replacement necessary to function touchscreens.