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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 45 points 12 hours ago (2 children) Gotta see obsession. Best horror movie I’ve ever seen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Seriously great movie. I saw it this weekend and now have been telling all my friends to watch it so I have people to discuss it with. The problem is that since it's a horror movie, a lot of people I've told are just hard passing. They're missing out. It's scary, but it's also a legit good movie. The scariness in the movie isn't really like that from cheap jump scares like most movies, but just from this weird sense of something being very, very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago You need new friends! Find a one wish willow and wish that all your friends loved horror movies more than anything in the world. That won't backfire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lokalhorst@feddit.org 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (10 children) I watched with my girlfriend and we felt really weird after. It really played with stereotypes like the "crazy girlfriend" and the "poor nice guy". He is portrayed as the victim most of the movie, which we found very strange. The movie is very well made with some nice effects and new ideas, but it really felt odd for 2026. Edit: as you are describing the movie things come to my mind again, I could originally only recall that "feeling" it left me with. Of course he is portrayed as the villain, I was wrong with that take. Yes we have the hotline call, the "please kill me" scene and the end scene. Still I felt the female perspective was totally underrepresented in the movie. Nikki has not a real back story, she is just the crazy bitch for the guy wishing the monkeys paw wish getting wrong. I know, it is a horror movie and it's for entertainment, but I found the male/female stereotypes boring. In the end for me it is a male fantasy movie and I find the message very shallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (2 children) I think if you watch it again you’d realize he is meant to be the villain. The scene where he calls tech support and doesn’t want to cancel his wish, just tone it down a little. Followed by him hearing her screaming in pain knowing the girl he’s with does not have the soul of the girl he had a crush on. Even after that call, he’s trying to salvage this thing. Knowing what he knew, he would live the rest of his life with this thing so long as it toned down the weirdness. I loved that the movie didn’t bash you over the head with this message, but it’s 100% in there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child) I've heard this movie is being used as a litmus test by women to see if a man is boyfriend material. If they don't recognize that Bear is the villain, they are out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago Lol, I could see this. If they think Bear is innocent, RUN! permalink fedilink source parent [–] madmantis24@lemmy.wtf 8 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Hehehe Didn't bash us in the face over it, eh? I'm so sorry 😔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago 💀->🧱 permalink fedilink source parent [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (1 child) He is the villain. He's not pure evil, he's just a bit of a loser and lacks self confidence, but many times he is given a choice to do the right thing or the thing that benefits his own wants, he makes the selfish choice. That's why he's the villain. Little by little he knows things are going wrong, but he's a "nice guy" and surely he deserves something he wants because he's "nice." The movie is a fantastic depiction of what is wrong with NiceGuys™ and that they actually don't care nearly as much about the other person as they think they do. The director himself said it best, "The One Wish Willow isn't cursed, the shop owner is meant to demonstrate that you can make your wish and live a fine life after. Bear is cursed because the wish he makes is cursed." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago I've been obsessed (pun intended) with watching different people's takes on the movie. I just saw this one yesterday that hit on that Nice Guy™ point that you mentioned: https://youtu.be/u37_WlsREM4 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imke@feddit.org 45 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children) There are many scenes which make it clear that in fact she is the victim. Theres a permament latent layer of meaning which shows that his only problem is her strange behaviour and not her suffering, he adressed that in many scenes. Even when she talks to him with clear mind in her sleep begging to just kill her all he answers is "is it so bad to be with me". Also when the one whish willow hotline askes if he wants to talk to the in the background crying and suffering " real nikki" he just denies. Pretty much every scene has these two layers: the classic horror where the crazy nikki hunts her victim and the layer of bear clearly knowing he just trapped this girl against her will for selfish reasons. It shows very subtle in the beginning of the movie and gets more obvious in the further course... I didnt recognize many of the more subtle signs in the first third of the movie until i saw it a second time, i can really recommend to do this (if you two find the time) and rewatch with another perspective, its very well done! Also after i saw it the second time i watched some analsysis and it showed even more details i didnt see the second time, i love how much love went into the details and the social relation between the four friends and what happens in the (sometimes blurred) background. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago He knows the girl he’s with is not Nikki. He knows she’s an unstable psychopath. He still goes to the car to talk to Sarah and even shared a romantic moment with her. He has caused so much pain and suffering with his wish for “love”. And here he is being even more selfish and stupid. Sarah’s death was his fault. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 15 points 10 hours ago (1 child) I (unironically) love how your comment gets longer and longer every time I refresh this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imke@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) Haha yeah i had many edits. I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. I admit this movie hyped me more than i thought, it haunted me e few days after i saw it and from time to time i still think about it, what i barely do after movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 4 points 8 hours ago I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. Are you... me? permalink fedilink source parent [–] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago This movie is an onion. If we’re being charitable in our reading of Bear, he’s only sympathetic because he’s not outright evil. But really he represents a lazy evil that emerges from mediocrity and cowardice. There is a mild redemption arc at work, but the film doesn’t let us accept Bear’s resolution. The audience always knows that he’s not the true victim but the film also makes the point to demonstrate that nothing is ever as straightforward as we want it to be. Watching demands a lot from the viewer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (3 children) He’s definitely played as a tragic villain for the entirety of the film. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m questioning if commenters like this ever watched the movie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 child) Exactly my thoughts. Yeah, you can argue that he wasn't aware how his wish would play out in detail but that's pretty much the only point that redeems him. He would have had a realistic chance to be with her if he had just actually talked to her in the beginning. Instead he completely ignores the entire concept of consent, uses a supernatural artifact to make her feel things against her will and while she still acts more or less normal, he shows exactly no remorse. He only gets interested in reversing the wish when there are negative consequences for him. He doesn't care for her feelings at all. He's toxic, he comes as close to being a rapist as you can come and the film makes a point of showing us that the real Nikki is still somewhere inside the remote-controlled shell that he has created and is very much not okay with what is happening.. How can anyone see him as the victim? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 1 point 16 minutes ago He is very much a rapist. Just because he doesn't understand it as such doesn't make it not rape. She does not consent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quicky@piefed.social 8 points 11 hours ago Yeah, that was a wildly poor take from the previous commenter. Even if you only had a fraction more than a superficial glance at the film, the roles are very clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I think the movie was very subtle about these things. It’s 100% there, but if you’re not in the specific mindset to notice then, it’s easy to miss. Especially if you think wishing a girl loved you should work. If his wish is reasonable, then the rest of the movie is unfair to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children) it’s easy to miss. Really? I didn't think it was subtle at all. Even pretty early, when he drives her home and fails to tell her what he thinks about her, I found it pretty obvious that everything that happens to him is a consequence of his own actions. At this point it can still be excused by him being insecure but as soon as he uses the willow, it is very clear that he doesn't care even a tiny bit about what she wants, he just wants to own her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skibidi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago The only part he can be excused for is making the wish, imo. It is a reaction born out of his frustration with his lack of confidence, and he doesn't know that it will really work. Once it became clear that the wish had a real effect, and he chose to ignore the real Nikki's suffering and indulge himself in the lie, he became a complete villain. If he had instead wished for the courage to tell Nikki how he felt, completely different movie. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* 45 year old me thought it was obvious too. But I think 20 year old me wouldn't have. He was a simp permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypnicjerk@piefed.social 11 points 10 hours ago He is portrayed as the victim most of the movie, which we found very strange. genuinely baffled how you got this. it was immediately clear to me & my partner that he was a selfish, feckless loser who brought it on himself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imke@feddit.org 5 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I get that you didnt like the movie too much and i dont wanna be that movie defending fangirl but there a a few scenes where we learn things about nikkis past and future plans, her view of love and relationship... we dont learn that about bear (maybe indirectly). She also has a relationship to her male an female friends which exists and is shown outside bears perspective. I miss the female characters perspektive in many movies (most slightly older movies, weve come a long way lol) but that movie didnt give me that feeling... But maybe thats just my subjective experience. Yeah its still a horror movie where things before and after the story are not presented in detail but i think nikkis view was given at least as much room than the male co protagonists view. Maybe sometimes more subtle, because she is obsessed most time... What still haunts me are her eyes in the first sex scene (or rape scene, depends on how much knowlege you grant bear in the beginning). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imke@feddit.org 1 point 8 hours ago* I want to add that "friends of nikki" is mabye wrong, she is totaly alone, which i find interesting: bear lies about nikki to the other two, and obviously isnt truely interested in her wellbeing. Ian had an affair with nikki but is just interested in her wellbeing when he uses it to shoot against baer who he envies. Sarah is in love with bear and is totally toxic against nikki, victimblaming her. Ok maybe bear is very central in these relationships bur maybe not less central than nikki... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Marty_TF@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 hours ago yeah, the only thought i had during and especially at the end of the movie was "and now that poor girl is traumatized for the rest of her life and will most likely be in prison for double homicide for several years just bcs this dude wanted to get his dick wet" permalink fedilink source parent [–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* You may find this video essay by Jessie Gender to be enlightening - https://youtu.be/Ta51v9tW3CA Yes, it's 3 hours long. Yes, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 2 points 9 hours ago* Nikki not having a real backstory is (probably) on purpose. We see most of the story from Bear's perspective and he doesn't care about her backstory. So we don't get to see it. The whole film uses those stereotypes on purpose to show how problematic they are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 child) It's a classic, straightforward "love potion" trope story, which is itself a subset of the broader "monkey's paw" trope. A portion of the internet wants to turn it into a gender wars issue because that's what the internet does. You can swap either or both genders and the story still mostly works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webadict@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago It's NOT a monkey's paw, though. If anything it is maybe a deconstruction of a monkey's paw trope. See, the One Wish Willow does not manipulate your wish to give you something you didn't ask for, nor does it backlash. Bear wished for a selfish wish. There were a ton of people throughout the film that wished for things and got exactly what they wished for. Heck, Bear's friend gets a billion dollars. Like, I get that Bear's wish is corrupted, but he could've wished to be someone that Nikki liked. He could've wished to be better at talking to girls. He could've wished to be less cowardly. Those are less selfish versions of the same wish. It wasn't the act of wishing that ruined his wish, but that he used his wish to manipulate someone else. He was the reason his wish was ruined. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Seriously great movie. I saw it this weekend and now have been telling all my friends to watch it so I have people to discuss it with. The problem is that since it's a horror movie, a lot of people I've told are just hard passing. They're missing out. It's scary, but it's also a legit good movie. The scariness in the movie isn't really like that from cheap jump scares like most movies, but just from this weird sense of something being very, very wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago You need new friends! Find a one wish willow and wish that all your friends loved horror movies more than anything in the world. That won't backfire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago You need new friends! Find a one wish willow and wish that all your friends loved horror movies more than anything in the world. That won't backfire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lokalhorst@feddit.org 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (10 children) I watched with my girlfriend and we felt really weird after. It really played with stereotypes like the "crazy girlfriend" and the "poor nice guy". He is portrayed as the victim most of the movie, which we found very strange. The movie is very well made with some nice effects and new ideas, but it really felt odd for 2026. Edit: as you are describing the movie things come to my mind again, I could originally only recall that "feeling" it left me with. Of course he is portrayed as the villain, I was wrong with that take. Yes we have the hotline call, the "please kill me" scene and the end scene. Still I felt the female perspective was totally underrepresented in the movie. Nikki has not a real back story, she is just the crazy bitch for the guy wishing the monkeys paw wish getting wrong. I know, it is a horror movie and it's for entertainment, but I found the male/female stereotypes boring. In the end for me it is a male fantasy movie and I find the message very shallow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (2 children) I think if you watch it again you’d realize he is meant to be the villain. The scene where he calls tech support and doesn’t want to cancel his wish, just tone it down a little. Followed by him hearing her screaming in pain knowing the girl he’s with does not have the soul of the girl he had a crush on. Even after that call, he’s trying to salvage this thing. Knowing what he knew, he would live the rest of his life with this thing so long as it toned down the weirdness. I loved that the movie didn’t bash you over the head with this message, but it’s 100% in there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child) I've heard this movie is being used as a litmus test by women to see if a man is boyfriend material. If they don't recognize that Bear is the villain, they are out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago Lol, I could see this. If they think Bear is innocent, RUN! permalink fedilink source parent [–] madmantis24@lemmy.wtf 8 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Hehehe Didn't bash us in the face over it, eh? I'm so sorry 😔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago 💀->🧱 permalink fedilink source parent [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (1 child) He is the villain. He's not pure evil, he's just a bit of a loser and lacks self confidence, but many times he is given a choice to do the right thing or the thing that benefits his own wants, he makes the selfish choice. That's why he's the villain. Little by little he knows things are going wrong, but he's a "nice guy" and surely he deserves something he wants because he's "nice." The movie is a fantastic depiction of what is wrong with NiceGuys™ and that they actually don't care nearly as much about the other person as they think they do. The director himself said it best, "The One Wish Willow isn't cursed, the shop owner is meant to demonstrate that you can make your wish and live a fine life after. Bear is cursed because the wish he makes is cursed." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago I've been obsessed (pun intended) with watching different people's takes on the movie. I just saw this one yesterday that hit on that Nice Guy™ point that you mentioned: https://youtu.be/u37_WlsREM4 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imke@feddit.org 45 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children) There are many scenes which make it clear that in fact she is the victim. Theres a permament latent layer of meaning which shows that his only problem is her strange behaviour and not her suffering, he adressed that in many scenes. Even when she talks to him with clear mind in her sleep begging to just kill her all he answers is "is it so bad to be with me". Also when the one whish willow hotline askes if he wants to talk to the in the background crying and suffering " real nikki" he just denies. Pretty much every scene has these two layers: the classic horror where the crazy nikki hunts her victim and the layer of bear clearly knowing he just trapped this girl against her will for selfish reasons. It shows very subtle in the beginning of the movie and gets more obvious in the further course... I didnt recognize many of the more subtle signs in the first third of the movie until i saw it a second time, i can really recommend to do this (if you two find the time) and rewatch with another perspective, its very well done! Also after i saw it the second time i watched some analsysis and it showed even more details i didnt see the second time, i love how much love went into the details and the social relation between the four friends and what happens in the (sometimes blurred) background. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago He knows the girl he’s with is not Nikki. He knows she’s an unstable psychopath. He still goes to the car to talk to Sarah and even shared a romantic moment with her. He has caused so much pain and suffering with his wish for “love”. And here he is being even more selfish and stupid. Sarah’s death was his fault. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 15 points 10 hours ago (1 child) I (unironically) love how your comment gets longer and longer every time I refresh this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imke@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) Haha yeah i had many edits. I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. I admit this movie hyped me more than i thought, it haunted me e few days after i saw it and from time to time i still think about it, what i barely do after movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 4 points 8 hours ago I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. Are you... me? permalink fedilink source parent [–] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago This movie is an onion. If we’re being charitable in our reading of Bear, he’s only sympathetic because he’s not outright evil. But really he represents a lazy evil that emerges from mediocrity and cowardice. There is a mild redemption arc at work, but the film doesn’t let us accept Bear’s resolution. The audience always knows that he’s not the true victim but the film also makes the point to demonstrate that nothing is ever as straightforward as we want it to be. Watching demands a lot from the viewer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (3 children) He’s definitely played as a tragic villain for the entirety of the film. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m questioning if commenters like this ever watched the movie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 child) Exactly my thoughts. Yeah, you can argue that he wasn't aware how his wish would play out in detail but that's pretty much the only point that redeems him. He would have had a realistic chance to be with her if he had just actually talked to her in the beginning. Instead he completely ignores the entire concept of consent, uses a supernatural artifact to make her feel things against her will and while she still acts more or less normal, he shows exactly no remorse. He only gets interested in reversing the wish when there are negative consequences for him. He doesn't care for her feelings at all. He's toxic, he comes as close to being a rapist as you can come and the film makes a point of showing us that the real Nikki is still somewhere inside the remote-controlled shell that he has created and is very much not okay with what is happening.. How can anyone see him as the victim? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 1 point 16 minutes ago He is very much a rapist. Just because he doesn't understand it as such doesn't make it not rape. She does not consent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quicky@piefed.social 8 points 11 hours ago Yeah, that was a wildly poor take from the previous commenter. Even if you only had a fraction more than a superficial glance at the film, the roles are very clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I think the movie was very subtle about these things. It’s 100% there, but if you’re not in the specific mindset to notice then, it’s easy to miss. Especially if you think wishing a girl loved you should work. If his wish is reasonable, then the rest of the movie is unfair to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children) it’s easy to miss. Really? I didn't think it was subtle at all. Even pretty early, when he drives her home and fails to tell her what he thinks about her, I found it pretty obvious that everything that happens to him is a consequence of his own actions. At this point it can still be excused by him being insecure but as soon as he uses the willow, it is very clear that he doesn't care even a tiny bit about what she wants, he just wants to own her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skibidi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago The only part he can be excused for is making the wish, imo. It is a reaction born out of his frustration with his lack of confidence, and he doesn't know that it will really work. Once it became clear that the wish had a real effect, and he chose to ignore the real Nikki's suffering and indulge himself in the lie, he became a complete villain. If he had instead wished for the courage to tell Nikki how he felt, completely different movie. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* 45 year old me thought it was obvious too. But I think 20 year old me wouldn't have. He was a simp permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypnicjerk@piefed.social 11 points 10 hours ago He is portrayed as the victim most of the movie, which we found very strange. genuinely baffled how you got this. it was immediately clear to me & my partner that he was a selfish, feckless loser who brought it on himself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Imke@feddit.org 5 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I get that you didnt like the movie too much and i dont wanna be that movie defending fangirl but there a a few scenes where we learn things about nikkis past and future plans, her view of love and relationship... we dont learn that about bear (maybe indirectly). She also has a relationship to her male an female friends which exists and is shown outside bears perspective. I miss the female characters perspektive in many movies (most slightly older movies, weve come a long way lol) but that movie didnt give me that feeling... But maybe thats just my subjective experience. Yeah its still a horror movie where things before and after the story are not presented in detail but i think nikkis view was given at least as much room than the male co protagonists view. Maybe sometimes more subtle, because she is obsessed most time... What still haunts me are her eyes in the first sex scene (or rape scene, depends on how much knowlege you grant bear in the beginning). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imke@feddit.org 1 point 8 hours ago* I want to add that "friends of nikki" is mabye wrong, she is totaly alone, which i find interesting: bear lies about nikki to the other two, and obviously isnt truely interested in her wellbeing. Ian had an affair with nikki but is just interested in her wellbeing when he uses it to shoot against baer who he envies. Sarah is in love with bear and is totally toxic against nikki, victimblaming her. Ok maybe bear is very central in these relationships bur maybe not less central than nikki... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Marty_TF@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 hours ago yeah, the only thought i had during and especially at the end of the movie was "and now that poor girl is traumatized for the rest of her life and will most likely be in prison for double homicide for several years just bcs this dude wanted to get his dick wet" permalink fedilink source parent [–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* You may find this video essay by Jessie Gender to be enlightening - https://youtu.be/Ta51v9tW3CA Yes, it's 3 hours long. Yes, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 2 points 9 hours ago* Nikki not having a real backstory is (probably) on purpose. We see most of the story from Bear's perspective and he doesn't care about her backstory. So we don't get to see it. The whole film uses those stereotypes on purpose to show how problematic they are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 child) It's a classic, straightforward "love potion" trope story, which is itself a subset of the broader "monkey's paw" trope. A portion of the internet wants to turn it into a gender wars issue because that's what the internet does. You can swap either or both genders and the story still mostly works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webadict@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago It's NOT a monkey's paw, though. If anything it is maybe a deconstruction of a monkey's paw trope. See, the One Wish Willow does not manipulate your wish to give you something you didn't ask for, nor does it backlash. Bear wished for a selfish wish. There were a ton of people throughout the film that wished for things and got exactly what they wished for. Heck, Bear's friend gets a billion dollars. Like, I get that Bear's wish is corrupted, but he could've wished to be someone that Nikki liked. He could've wished to be better at talking to girls. He could've wished to be less cowardly. Those are less selfish versions of the same wish. It wasn't the act of wishing that ruined his wish, but that he used his wish to manipulate someone else. He was the reason his wish was ruined. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (2 children) I think if you watch it again you’d realize he is meant to be the villain. The scene where he calls tech support and doesn’t want to cancel his wish, just tone it down a little. Followed by him hearing her screaming in pain knowing the girl he’s with does not have the soul of the girl he had a crush on. Even after that call, he’s trying to salvage this thing. Knowing what he knew, he would live the rest of his life with this thing so long as it toned down the weirdness. I loved that the movie didn’t bash you over the head with this message, but it’s 100% in there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child) I've heard this movie is being used as a litmus test by women to see if a man is boyfriend material. If they don't recognize that Bear is the villain, they are out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago Lol, I could see this. If they think Bear is innocent, RUN! permalink fedilink source parent [–] madmantis24@lemmy.wtf 8 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Hehehe Didn't bash us in the face over it, eh? I'm so sorry 😔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago 💀->🧱 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child) I've heard this movie is being used as a litmus test by women to see if a man is boyfriend material. If they don't recognize that Bear is the villain, they are out! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago Lol, I could see this. If they think Bear is innocent, RUN! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago Lol, I could see this. If they think Bear is innocent, RUN! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madmantis24@lemmy.wtf 8 points 9 hours ago (1 child) Hehehe Didn't bash us in the face over it, eh? I'm so sorry 😔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago 💀->🧱 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (1 child) He is the villain. He's not pure evil, he's just a bit of a loser and lacks self confidence, but many times he is given a choice to do the right thing or the thing that benefits his own wants, he makes the selfish choice. That's why he's the villain. Little by little he knows things are going wrong, but he's a "nice guy" and surely he deserves something he wants because he's "nice." The movie is a fantastic depiction of what is wrong with NiceGuys™ and that they actually don't care nearly as much about the other person as they think they do. The director himself said it best, "The One Wish Willow isn't cursed, the shop owner is meant to demonstrate that you can make your wish and live a fine life after. Bear is cursed because the wish he makes is cursed." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago I've been obsessed (pun intended) with watching different people's takes on the movie. I just saw this one yesterday that hit on that Nice Guy™ point that you mentioned: https://youtu.be/u37_WlsREM4 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago I've been obsessed (pun intended) with watching different people's takes on the movie. I just saw this one yesterday that hit on that Nice Guy™ point that you mentioned: https://youtu.be/u37_WlsREM4 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imke@feddit.org 45 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children) There are many scenes which make it clear that in fact she is the victim. Theres a permament latent layer of meaning which shows that his only problem is her strange behaviour and not her suffering, he adressed that in many scenes. Even when she talks to him with clear mind in her sleep begging to just kill her all he answers is "is it so bad to be with me". Also when the one whish willow hotline askes if he wants to talk to the in the background crying and suffering " real nikki" he just denies. Pretty much every scene has these two layers: the classic horror where the crazy nikki hunts her victim and the layer of bear clearly knowing he just trapped this girl against her will for selfish reasons. It shows very subtle in the beginning of the movie and gets more obvious in the further course... I didnt recognize many of the more subtle signs in the first third of the movie until i saw it a second time, i can really recommend to do this (if you two find the time) and rewatch with another perspective, its very well done! Also after i saw it the second time i watched some analsysis and it showed even more details i didnt see the second time, i love how much love went into the details and the social relation between the four friends and what happens in the (sometimes blurred) background. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago He knows the girl he’s with is not Nikki. He knows she’s an unstable psychopath. He still goes to the car to talk to Sarah and even shared a romantic moment with her. He has caused so much pain and suffering with his wish for “love”. And here he is being even more selfish and stupid. Sarah’s death was his fault. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 15 points 10 hours ago (1 child) I (unironically) love how your comment gets longer and longer every time I refresh this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imke@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) Haha yeah i had many edits. I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. I admit this movie hyped me more than i thought, it haunted me e few days after i saw it and from time to time i still think about it, what i barely do after movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 4 points 8 hours ago I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. Are you... me? permalink fedilink source parent [–] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago This movie is an onion. If we’re being charitable in our reading of Bear, he’s only sympathetic because he’s not outright evil. But really he represents a lazy evil that emerges from mediocrity and cowardice. There is a mild redemption arc at work, but the film doesn’t let us accept Bear’s resolution. The audience always knows that he’s not the true victim but the film also makes the point to demonstrate that nothing is ever as straightforward as we want it to be. Watching demands a lot from the viewer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago He knows the girl he’s with is not Nikki. He knows she’s an unstable psychopath. He still goes to the car to talk to Sarah and even shared a romantic moment with her. He has caused so much pain and suffering with his wish for “love”. And here he is being even more selfish and stupid. Sarah’s death was his fault. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 15 points 10 hours ago (1 child) I (unironically) love how your comment gets longer and longer every time I refresh this thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imke@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) Haha yeah i had many edits. I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. I admit this movie hyped me more than i thought, it haunted me e few days after i saw it and from time to time i still think about it, what i barely do after movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 4 points 8 hours ago I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. Are you... me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imke@feddit.org 10 points 10 hours ago* (1 child) Haha yeah i had many edits. I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. I admit this movie hyped me more than i thought, it haunted me e few days after i saw it and from time to time i still think about it, what i barely do after movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 4 points 8 hours ago I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. Are you... me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 4 points 8 hours ago I come to correct a typo and stay for another add on. Are you... me? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derfunkatron@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago This movie is an onion. If we’re being charitable in our reading of Bear, he’s only sympathetic because he’s not outright evil. But really he represents a lazy evil that emerges from mediocrity and cowardice. There is a mild redemption arc at work, but the film doesn’t let us accept Bear’s resolution. The audience always knows that he’s not the true victim but the film also makes the point to demonstrate that nothing is ever as straightforward as we want it to be. Watching demands a lot from the viewer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago (3 children) He’s definitely played as a tragic villain for the entirety of the film. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m questioning if commenters like this ever watched the movie. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 child) Exactly my thoughts. Yeah, you can argue that he wasn't aware how his wish would play out in detail but that's pretty much the only point that redeems him. He would have had a realistic chance to be with her if he had just actually talked to her in the beginning. Instead he completely ignores the entire concept of consent, uses a supernatural artifact to make her feel things against her will and while she still acts more or less normal, he shows exactly no remorse. He only gets interested in reversing the wish when there are negative consequences for him. He doesn't care for her feelings at all. He's toxic, he comes as close to being a rapist as you can come and the film makes a point of showing us that the real Nikki is still somewhere inside the remote-controlled shell that he has created and is very much not okay with what is happening.. How can anyone see him as the victim? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 1 point 16 minutes ago He is very much a rapist. Just because he doesn't understand it as such doesn't make it not rape. She does not consent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Quicky@piefed.social 8 points 11 hours ago Yeah, that was a wildly poor take from the previous commenter. Even if you only had a fraction more than a superficial glance at the film, the roles are very clear. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I think the movie was very subtle about these things. It’s 100% there, but if you’re not in the specific mindset to notice then, it’s easy to miss. Especially if you think wishing a girl loved you should work. If his wish is reasonable, then the rest of the movie is unfair to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children) it’s easy to miss. Really? I didn't think it was subtle at all. Even pretty early, when he drives her home and fails to tell her what he thinks about her, I found it pretty obvious that everything that happens to him is a consequence of his own actions. At this point it can still be excused by him being insecure but as soon as he uses the willow, it is very clear that he doesn't care even a tiny bit about what she wants, he just wants to own her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skibidi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago The only part he can be excused for is making the wish, imo. It is a reaction born out of his frustration with his lack of confidence, and he doesn't know that it will really work. Once it became clear that the wish had a real effect, and he chose to ignore the real Nikki's suffering and indulge himself in the lie, he became a complete villain. If he had instead wished for the courage to tell Nikki how he felt, completely different movie. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* 45 year old me thought it was obvious too. But I think 20 year old me wouldn't have. He was a simp permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 child) Exactly my thoughts. Yeah, you can argue that he wasn't aware how his wish would play out in detail but that's pretty much the only point that redeems him. He would have had a realistic chance to be with her if he had just actually talked to her in the beginning. Instead he completely ignores the entire concept of consent, uses a supernatural artifact to make her feel things against her will and while she still acts more or less normal, he shows exactly no remorse. He only gets interested in reversing the wish when there are negative consequences for him. He doesn't care for her feelings at all. He's toxic, he comes as close to being a rapist as you can come and the film makes a point of showing us that the real Nikki is still somewhere inside the remote-controlled shell that he has created and is very much not okay with what is happening.. How can anyone see him as the victim? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 1 point 16 minutes ago He is very much a rapist. Just because he doesn't understand it as such doesn't make it not rape. She does not consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 1 point 16 minutes ago He is very much a rapist. Just because he doesn't understand it as such doesn't make it not rape. She does not consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quicky@piefed.social 8 points 11 hours ago Yeah, that was a wildly poor take from the previous commenter. Even if you only had a fraction more than a superficial glance at the film, the roles are very clear. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I think the movie was very subtle about these things. It’s 100% there, but if you’re not in the specific mindset to notice then, it’s easy to miss. Especially if you think wishing a girl loved you should work. If his wish is reasonable, then the rest of the movie is unfair to him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children) it’s easy to miss. Really? I didn't think it was subtle at all. Even pretty early, when he drives her home and fails to tell her what he thinks about her, I found it pretty obvious that everything that happens to him is a consequence of his own actions. At this point it can still be excused by him being insecure but as soon as he uses the willow, it is very clear that he doesn't care even a tiny bit about what she wants, he just wants to own her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skibidi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago The only part he can be excused for is making the wish, imo. It is a reaction born out of his frustration with his lack of confidence, and he doesn't know that it will really work. Once it became clear that the wish had a real effect, and he chose to ignore the real Nikki's suffering and indulge himself in the lie, he became a complete villain. If he had instead wished for the courage to tell Nikki how he felt, completely different movie. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* 45 year old me thought it was obvious too. But I think 20 year old me wouldn't have. He was a simp permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children) it’s easy to miss. Really? I didn't think it was subtle at all. Even pretty early, when he drives her home and fails to tell her what he thinks about her, I found it pretty obvious that everything that happens to him is a consequence of his own actions. At this point it can still be excused by him being insecure but as soon as he uses the willow, it is very clear that he doesn't care even a tiny bit about what she wants, he just wants to own her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skibidi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago The only part he can be excused for is making the wish, imo. It is a reaction born out of his frustration with his lack of confidence, and he doesn't know that it will really work. Once it became clear that the wish had a real effect, and he chose to ignore the real Nikki's suffering and indulge himself in the lie, he became a complete villain. If he had instead wished for the courage to tell Nikki how he felt, completely different movie. permalink fedilink source parent [–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* 45 year old me thought it was obvious too. But I think 20 year old me wouldn't have. He was a simp permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago The only part he can be excused for is making the wish, imo. It is a reaction born out of his frustration with his lack of confidence, and he doesn't know that it will really work. Once it became clear that the wish had a real effect, and he chose to ignore the real Nikki's suffering and indulge himself in the lie, he became a complete villain. If he had instead wished for the courage to tell Nikki how he felt, completely different movie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* 45 year old me thought it was obvious too. But I think 20 year old me wouldn't have. He was a simp permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hypnicjerk@piefed.social 11 points 10 hours ago He is portrayed as the victim most of the movie, which we found very strange. genuinely baffled how you got this. it was immediately clear to me & my partner that he was a selfish, feckless loser who brought it on himself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imke@feddit.org 5 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I get that you didnt like the movie too much and i dont wanna be that movie defending fangirl but there a a few scenes where we learn things about nikkis past and future plans, her view of love and relationship... we dont learn that about bear (maybe indirectly). She also has a relationship to her male an female friends which exists and is shown outside bears perspective. I miss the female characters perspektive in many movies (most slightly older movies, weve come a long way lol) but that movie didnt give me that feeling... But maybe thats just my subjective experience. Yeah its still a horror movie where things before and after the story are not presented in detail but i think nikkis view was given at least as much room than the male co protagonists view. Maybe sometimes more subtle, because she is obsessed most time... What still haunts me are her eyes in the first sex scene (or rape scene, depends on how much knowlege you grant bear in the beginning). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imke@feddit.org 1 point 8 hours ago* I want to add that "friends of nikki" is mabye wrong, she is totaly alone, which i find interesting: bear lies about nikki to the other two, and obviously isnt truely interested in her wellbeing. Ian had an affair with nikki but is just interested in her wellbeing when he uses it to shoot against baer who he envies. Sarah is in love with bear and is totally toxic against nikki, victimblaming her. Ok maybe bear is very central in these relationships bur maybe not less central than nikki... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imke@feddit.org 1 point 8 hours ago* I want to add that "friends of nikki" is mabye wrong, she is totaly alone, which i find interesting: bear lies about nikki to the other two, and obviously isnt truely interested in her wellbeing. Ian had an affair with nikki but is just interested in her wellbeing when he uses it to shoot against baer who he envies. Sarah is in love with bear and is totally toxic against nikki, victimblaming her. Ok maybe bear is very central in these relationships bur maybe not less central than nikki... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Marty_TF@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 hours ago yeah, the only thought i had during and especially at the end of the movie was "and now that poor girl is traumatized for the rest of her life and will most likely be in prison for double homicide for several years just bcs this dude wanted to get his dick wet" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* You may find this video essay by Jessie Gender to be enlightening - https://youtu.be/Ta51v9tW3CA Yes, it's 3 hours long. Yes, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 2 points 9 hours ago* Nikki not having a real backstory is (probably) on purpose. We see most of the story from Bear's perspective and he doesn't care about her backstory. So we don't get to see it. The whole film uses those stereotypes on purpose to show how problematic they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 child) It's a classic, straightforward "love potion" trope story, which is itself a subset of the broader "monkey's paw" trope. A portion of the internet wants to turn it into a gender wars issue because that's what the internet does. You can swap either or both genders and the story still mostly works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webadict@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago It's NOT a monkey's paw, though. If anything it is maybe a deconstruction of a monkey's paw trope. See, the One Wish Willow does not manipulate your wish to give you something you didn't ask for, nor does it backlash. Bear wished for a selfish wish. There were a ton of people throughout the film that wished for things and got exactly what they wished for. Heck, Bear's friend gets a billion dollars. Like, I get that Bear's wish is corrupted, but he could've wished to be someone that Nikki liked. He could've wished to be better at talking to girls. He could've wished to be less cowardly. Those are less selfish versions of the same wish. It wasn't the act of wishing that ruined his wish, but that he used his wish to manipulate someone else. He was the reason his wish was ruined. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webadict@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago It's NOT a monkey's paw, though. If anything it is maybe a deconstruction of a monkey's paw trope. See, the One Wish Willow does not manipulate your wish to give you something you didn't ask for, nor does it backlash. Bear wished for a selfish wish. There were a ton of people throughout the film that wished for things and got exactly what they wished for. Heck, Bear's friend gets a billion dollars. Like, I get that Bear's wish is corrupted, but he could've wished to be someone that Nikki liked. He could've wished to be better at talking to girls. He could've wished to be less cowardly. Those are less selfish versions of the same wish. It wasn't the act of wishing that ruined his wish, but that he used his wish to manipulate someone else. He was the reason his wish was ruined. permalink fedilink source parent