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GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said Friday he would deport the children of undocumented immigrants with their families, despite them already being U.S. citizens.

“There are legally contested questions under the 14th Amendment of whether the child of an illegal immigrant is indeed a child who enjoys birthright citizenship or not,” Ramaswamy said after a town hall in Iowa.

Ramaswamy is not the only GOP candidate to question U.S. citizenship rules. Former President Trump announced in late May that on his first day back in office, he would seek to end birthright citizenship by way of an executive order.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This debate has been ongoing in Canada for a while now, but personally I'm going to hold off on forming an opinion until someone can actually prove it's an issue, because in Canada only ~500 births per year are from mothers who don't live in Canada. It's not even worth forming an opinion over, it's just another polarizing distraction. Not sure if it's as much of a non-issue in the US as well, but honestly it's not even worth thinking about until someone shares some actual data.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Much, MUCH different in the US.

There were just shy of 800,000 births by undocumented immigrants between 2010 and 2016, or over 110,000 births per year. So several orders of magnitude above Canada.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Technically only a single order of magnitude in terms of total births (3% vs 0.1%). Up to Americans to determine whether 3% of all births is worth worrying about though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not worrying, only racists are upset about this. A growing, working, tax-paying population is only good for a nation. Almost every single one of those 110k a year will spend 5-7 decades contributing to the American economy and workforce, that’s a plus in my book regardless of how they got here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's interesting is back in the day Republicans supported this. Milton Friedman, Reagan's infamous economic advisor, advocated for open borders. It's essentially what we had in the 1800s. Chicago was 80% immigrant or child of immigrant in 1880s.

Hell, Reagan even gave amnesty to millions of illegals.

I think we should have more or less open borders. Block criminals and extremists.. but everyone else let them in. Give them a trial period of like 5 to 10 years. If they pay taxes during that time period and don't commit serious crimes.. let them join the country.

We're gonna need the population to compete with China. There's plenty of space in this country for many more people. And more people = more demand for goods and services = more jobs = more opportunities = more GDP

I really don't see many good reasons why not. Sure, the price of labor will go down but illegals are already doing much of the menial labor already anyways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, the price of labor will go down

That's a pretty big problem to gloss over when the country is still fighting for a living wage for the lowest earners.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When would be a good time, then? 25 years from now?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Like, maybe when we have a thriving working class?