I initially thought I attached it to the wrong thread and reposted.

https://vger.to/sh.itjust.works/comment/26999091

But yeah I'd only be real like that after I got to know them more during the initial introduction. If someone was just telling me what I was going to do without having a discussion about it, being an asshole or control freak. I'd eliminate the cheap for them and throw a high estimate because I just didn't want to deal with them for less.

At that point I realized whatever I was going to estimate they were going to go way way out of scope on and easier if I just assumed that financially ahead or just didn't get the job.

Overall I hated dealing with clients and the "marketing guru" jerk offs. So now I have a boring slower job with nice pay and if I do anything on the side, I got to be somewhat interested in it myself. The luxury is I can just hang up on those people now.