view the rest of the comments
Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, toxicity and dog-whistling are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com.
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
6) No US Politics.
Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !uspolitics@lemmy.world
7) No Hit-and-Run questions.
Please don't delete your post for no apparent reason. If you plan on deleting a question later, say so in the post, or if you feel that you have a good reason to remove it, message a mod beforehand. It's not fair to the ones who took their time to answer, and it's not in the spirit of the community.
8) No Bots.
Posts or comments from bots, LLM's, AIs, Neural Networks, Transformers, or Marvin the Paranoid Android are not welcome in AskLemmy. Real humans only please.
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu
"Ignorant" does mean wilfully ignorant. It doesn't just mean uninformed.
To be vacant is to have been vacated.
To be an applicant is to have applied.
To be a claimant is to have made a claim.
And to be ignorant is to have ignored something.
(Of course, not all "-ant" words seem to stand alone without their suffix--at least, not in today's vernacular. Does an arrogant person arrog? Does a fragrant flower frag? Rob Words might have more to say about the vestigial origins of some of these.)
Can't wait to learn how I might just be ignorant about this (by my definition or the "real" one).
You're using "ignore" wrong, not the other way around.
If you want to be a linguistic pedant, then we should consider that both "ignorant" and "ignore" ultimately comes from proto-indo-european *ǵneh₃-, which meant "to know", and a negation prefix. So really the words should mean "the act of not knowing" (ignore) and "the quality/state of not knowing" (ignorant). Not avoiding knowledge, just lacking it
Thank you!!
And literally literally had become figuratively centuries ago.
I like and support your comment, though. But also where you changed your mind. :)
The difference is that fragrant and arrogant relate to words that end with -ance, i.e. fragrance and arrogance. For that matter, so do ignorance and vacanc~~e~~y (ish). Applicant and claimant are a separate category of -ant suffix.
You have described the difference between ignorant and willfully ignorant.
To ignore is always willful, isn't it?
But I think one of the examples I picked has finally talked me out of this. I would happily use "vacant" to also describe a place that has never been occupied, so it didn't require vacating to be vacant. In that case, vacate means to make vacant, not vice versa. I'll apply that to ignore/ignorant, and I think I finally understand how people have been so comfortable with that definition.
I will also say that 'to ignore something' implies but doesn't mean to be aware of something. If you're not aware of something, you're ignoring it by default, which is also the case with being ignorant.