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submitted 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) by sydd@lemmy.world to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world

I believe if everyone who was against the current oligarchy started placing guillotine stickers everywhere, like you might for a favorite band, people would feel less isolated in their distaste for the current system.

And in an ideal world those who the guillotines are for might realize just how much they are in the minority.

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[-] sydd@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

When political violence is normalized on one side already, why shouldn't the other fight back?

[-] charonn0@startrek.website -2 points 9 hours ago

Because the cycle of violence always escalates and is ultimately self-defeating.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Does it though? Read back through history

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 3 points 8 hours ago

So defending yourself is self-defeating?

Interesting take...

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

No, that would be a most uncharitable interpretation of what I've been saying (and rather a loaded question.)

[-] sydd@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

There's never been a successful revolution?

[-] rimu@piefed.social 2 points 5 hours ago

Violent revolutions have a huge risk of producing prolonged violence, authoritarianism, or other disastrous outcomes, even if they succeed in overthrowing the old regime.

On the other hand here are some successful non-violent revolutions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution

Nonviolent revolutions generally produce better institutional outcomes than violent ones (it's science).

Also watch out for selection bias - we tend to remember revolutions that became enormous historical events. Check out this table of pitiful forgotten revolutions and note how many "Suppression of the rebellion" there are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 1 points 7 hours ago

That depends on how you define success. It also depends on how you define revolution. If the French Revolution can be defined as ending when Napoleon crowned himself Emperor, then I think that qualifies as a failed revolution.

[-] sydd@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

But there's been successful revolutions, so the cycle of violence does not always escalate.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 1 points 6 hours ago

The cycle will escalate until it is broken. How long it runs before it gets broken might be a useful part in defining "successful revolution": the successful ones break the cycle of violence as early as possible.

[-] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 7 hours ago

Violence is inescapable.

Do you eat food? That is an act of violence.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website -1 points 7 hours ago

Not all acts of violence use physical force; not all uses of physical force are acts of violence.

[-] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

Did the food consent to being harvested?

No, because no food can, other than arguably humans, but that's usually illegal.

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I would count killing and eating an animal as a non-violent, physically forceful act, all else being equal. I realize that puts me at odds with many vegetarians and vegans, but in the context of violence against other human beings, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

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