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How would someone who actually doesn't care about race express they don't care about race?
I usually say "I'm talking about a systemic issue, not you personally." Because you should care in general - we live in a racist society and can't opt out of context.
Separating the societal circumstance from the individual circumstance seems really important for this discussion but ideally the same person who is uncomfortable with systemic racism is equally uncomfortable with interpersonal racism.
"I'm racist in all of the ways in which I have not yet had the opportunity to confront my perceptions"?
I'm having a difficult time parsing this sentence. Could you expand on it further please.
There's an important distinction between not caring about race in the sense that you treat all people you encounter with equal consideration, and not caring about race in the sense that you disregard all racially based socio-economic concerns. A person flippantly expressing a lack of caring reeks of the latter.
I'm speaking specifically to the former.
You demonstrate by behaving accordingly. If you treat people equally, you shouldn't need to tell people that you do.
Yep, white people have an incentive to claim we aren't racists, our egos and social statuses generally benefit from these claims. Because of that we can't be taken at our words on the topic. Only our actions can be trusted
One would hope that's the case. It's not always. I wouldn't word it like the post. Typically it's more so "one people, one love" or "we are all together" or something to that affect. Particularly if one is in a sensitive circumstance and where you stand on this subject is the question at hand.
It also says a lot when someone's goal is for people to know you treat others equally. That may make them feel that you do it more because you want the social kuddos so to speak. If the behavior is for appearance more than for equal treatment of people, that's also an ick. Just be authentically a good person and people will treat you accordingly. No good person goes around saying they're a good person.
One would think. One must remember that racism at least on an interpersonal level isn't one direction. In group theory systemic racism is typically from the dominant group towards the non-dominant group. In interpersonal racism anyone can be racist towards anyone anytime. All it takes is making positive or negative assumptions about someone based on their race. The situations I've found myself in is where someone was assuming something about me without knowing me just based on my race.
I hate racism and I stand with people of colour
Wouldn't you stand with all people and not just people of colour?
it's the same issue as the "black lives matter" / "all lives matter" distinction. On the surface, sure, "all lives matter" sounds more appealing because all lives do matter. But the point is that most people support white people, it's the people of colour that you need to voice your support for, because they're the ones being targeted with constant discrimination and racism.
I think back to the post about liking pancakes not meaning hating waffles. It sounds ridiculous but it's very easy to fall into that mindset, especially in scenarios like this. "I stand with people of colour" doesn't mean "I don't stand with white people", it just means "people of colour need my support more than white people do right now".
If that sounds weird to you still, and you'd still rather say "I support everyone" that's totally fair, but if you're going to do that you need to be aware of the cultural meaning given to those kinds of phrases beyond what the literal words mean, as the type of people who say that sort of thing are usually saying it to delegitimize messages of support for marginalized groups, and so by saying it yourself you may end up being associated with those people as well.
Black Lives Matter is a bit like Save The Whales. It should be a given that you don’t want dolphins to be killed…
It should be but I've met my share of people who legitimately hate the "dolphins" and have views of them as lesser beings, demons, and all around just bad if only for their race.
Is it not a given you don’t want the whales killed or do you have to call them out specifically?
Sadly, yes. Some whale populations were dangerously close to collapse partly/mainly (it’s debatable) due to human actions. A lot of other maritime species weren’t thriving but with whales it was dangerously different.
For the record we did also have “dolphin friendly tuna” so perhaps my analogy needs some work…
In the late 20th century, whaling drove some species of whale into endangered status, and some nations continued to poach whales even though there was international law against it.
According to Wikipedia whale hunting is still an business and a controversy.
We're assuming this is in the US or a western country? Racism isn't the same everywhere. For instance in Kenya Somalians are treated very poorly and there's a lot of racism towards them by Kenyan natives but both are people of colour. Similarly there's a lot of hate and resentment between Kikuyu and Luo and they will know one another easily by how they look aka their ethnicity and it's essentially racism again but both are people of colour. Similarly a Chinese person in Japan will likely face tremendous racism yet both are people of colour. Who exactly are we standing with?
Yes sorry, I did assume a western context, that's my bad. I've only ever lived in Canada so I'm not too knowledgeable on progressive movements outside of the west. I would imagine though that the best course of action would be to state your alliance with those marginalized ethnicities in those cultures. For example, if you live in Kenya and want to see Somalians treated equally there then you should express your support for the Somalians, because not expressing that support will cause others to assume you hold the culturally "default" position, which in the case of widespread discrimination would likely mean they would assume you are anti-Somalian.
Basically all I mean is that if you want to show that you don't care about race or ethnicity then show support for whatever group needs it the most in your community. By doing so you're showing that you're willing to accept those groups even though they aren't identical to you. Sure that might seem like you absolutely do care about race, since you're supporting those groups on basis of who they are, but a truly "neutral" position doesn't exist in situations like this, as choosing not to say anything at all is showing that you're okay with whatever the current dominant ideology is.
I think I tend to take more of an interpersonal approach than a group approach towards life. Group theory is a perception of society but it isn't the only one. Generally speaking i want equitable treatment for all people regardless of the groups they happen to belong to. That's to say I'm more individual focused than group focused. Just because someone is in a group doesn't mean they specifically have faced any hardships in relationships to that group. In many and arguably in any country the determining factor is wealth and the power of one's social networks. Like an individual in Kenya can most definitely avoid any issues whatsoever with their race if they are wealthy and powerful enough. I couldn't say just because they are Somalian that they suffered the same prejudice that a poor Somalian in Kenya has. Group theory though does have a place when one is talking about statistics aka large amounts of people who share a group more so than an individual. Both perception are right and neither is wrong for the other being right.
I didn't say I "just" stand with people of colour, did I? Now, considering how many people at worst don't consider people of colour to be people, or at best, just have a white-centric bias and don't think of people of colour very often when they hear "all people", the specific callout is very necessary. I specifically stand with people of colour, in addition to all the people who you would presumably expect Me to stand with due to being part of society.
I mean which country are we speaking of? It doesn't make sense as a statement depending on where one is. For instance Somalians who have become refugees in Kenya are treated very poorly and there's a lot of racism and prejudice towards them by Kenyan natives. Both are people of colour so who exactly am I standing with if I were to say I stand with people of colour? If I'm in Japan and I see a Chinese man being treated poorly just for his race then who am I standing with as both sides are people of colour. It's a statement that assumes a particular dynamic and that may not be the dynamic that is in front of us.
Sure. But we're speaking English, and in all majority English countries, white is privileged.
I was going to say Liberia exists but honestly you probably would get preferential treatment from assumptions about the economic part of socioeconomic.
Are you sure about that? I can tell you first hand it can be a serious detriment or even dangerous to be white in some English speaking countries.
Oh, you're a trash person that's lying, that makes sense.
I hear that all the time from right wing snowflakes crying about not getting preferential treatment, so pardon me if I call bullshit.
Yeah there's that discussion as well. It's easy to get lumped into a group one doesn't self identify with or whose behaviors don't agree with if one happens to use similar verbage. I would hold reservations to see if someone is actually in a group instead of just assuming off of a single sentence, but that's just me personally.
Naw, because if you say you stand with white people, that same person will say you are racist.
Isn't that statement like ironically kind of racist? You're judging the behavior of like a billion people just by the colour of their skin.
The difference is that white people practically never face difficulties that are related to the color of their skin, there would therefore not be any reason to "stand with white people" except one motivated by racism.
Just as the other guy argues, nobody said anything about only standing with white people, you can assume one stands for people of all races with the statement.
Depends entirely if you are in a country of mostly white people.
Saying "I stand with the majority" comes off a lot like "fuck minorities". While saying you "stand with the minorities", doesn't imply the same back since the majority isn't at risk of being forgotten.
You can say you stand with white people, if you live somewhere central Africa. Since they are not a majority there and thus could use the support. The majority don't need the support because they are the majority.