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What and marinara sauce isn't Italian? Mapo tofu isn't chinese? Modern sushi isn't japananese?
This reminds me of working in a brewery/restaurant kitchen in the middle of a rich Midwestern suburb (read: white as white gets), we wanted to do teriyaki wings. Instead of letting us make our own sauce, our idiot manager brought in a premade sauce made by a Chinese company in "the Korean style". So it was a Chinese-made Korean-style Japanese-American sauce. Fucking what? Especially silly considering real teriyaki sauce is just four very easily attainable ingredients in more-or-less equal parts.
I wish to know this four ingredient teriyaki recipe.
Soy sauce, sugar, sake, and mirin.. Garlic, ginger, chili, etc are all excellent additions, but aren't necessary traditional. But as is kind of the main theme of this comment section's discussion, nothing's really "traditional" until thousands of people have done it thousands of different ways and enough time passes to be able to put it into some kind of historical and often geographic context. That is to say, I'm just a white guy on the Internet who's done a fairly shallow amount of research into this subject, so definitely don't take my word as teriyaki gospel.
Ginger, garlic, soysauce, brown sugar.
You flavor a neutral oil with the ginger and garlic (don't burn), add the brown sugar, a bit of soysauce, caramelize, add water, mirin or cooking wine slowly until desired thickness. You can do cornstarch slurry to dilute the flavor while maintaining the thickness.
You can toast some sesame at the start for that flavor.
The caramelized sugar may solidify if the liquid is too cold, redissolve it by increasing heat and/or liquid.
Italian cuisine is particularly enjoyable for this. The carbonara sauce was an improvisation by an American army cook, and one of the first recipes had it made with cream.
And part off modern sushi is Norwegian, as they had an excess of salmon they kind of imposed the idea to use it on sushi, which worked.
Chilly peppers in Indian cuisine where introduced by the Portugese
Cuisine is one of the most fusion sensitive bits of culture out there and most claims of originality are bogus in a way.
I don't think a dish has to be 100% original from the domestication of the species of the ingredients all the way to the invention of the dish. I would say it's valid to claim a variation of a dish with just one tiny tweak. Norwegians can't claim the entirety of sushi but they are totally valid in claiming specifically salmon sushi. The French can't claim to have invented neither wheat, flour, bread, the baking of bread in ovens or any of the other steps it took in-between, but they can claim the baguette specifically as a French bread.
I don't think any food type can be claimed by a nation, that idea is very novel. You talk about bread and I think about the quintessential Italian ciabatta bread, which was invented in the 1990's.
But I do really enjoy experiencing different cultures. I don't subscribe to the idea of ownership of any of it by any country or culture. That is all.
The Swedes can keep the entire claim to Surströmming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surstr%C3%B6mming
That just gets a bad reputation because of non AI slop on social media.
Have you met our Lord and savior hakarl?
The idea of a national culture having some claim on a food type is novel? I’d say the concept is pretty common and widespread.
Yes it's quite novel. Most national identities and stereotypes are from the latter half of the nineteenth century. Read Eric Hobsbawns 'the invention of tradition'' for example.
The Italian cuisine and it's staples are very much a construction from the post war period, look at the history of the spaghetti carbonara, which was wiped up by an American army cook, but was later elevated to an supposedly 'ancient' recipe.
But before the era of nationalism most people didn't think in terms of nations and national stereotypes.
Ok “nationalism” sure. But you can’t argue that cultural associations didn’t exist. This is why we had trade routes. And agriculture influenced by regional geography, climate, etc.
You point out very carefully selected specific examples like carbonara. This is like the exception that proves the rule.
Novel and widespread have nothing to do with aech other.
From the wikipedia article about nations:
Lol
Shut up, let me enjoy my bananana in peace.