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It's all fine and dandy that they only think about the big cities, but the problem is that the focus on public transport seem to be exclusively focused on big cities while those of us who live in rural areas are starved for public transport options.
I see they pick Copenhsgen among the places to praise public transport. Psh. Cool. I live in Jutland and my household was literally forced to buy a car after they cut the public transport budget in our city - again - and as a result, my boyfriend was forced to get up at 3 in the morning to be at work at 8. So, we bought a car because it was literally killing him and the limited time we had as a couple already, was pretty much eradicated.
Getting a car not only did wonders for his health, it also gave us our relationship a much needed boost because now he had the energy to actually be awake and do things with me, when he got home from work.
There are zero signs that public transport is a priority where we live and we aren't going back now. We did everything to depend on public transport and save the expense of having a car until we were in our 30s and the only reason we ended up buckling was because public transport was cut from our area. It wasn't only his bus route that was fucked with, btw. When I wanted to go see friends and family, the busses I used to take had been cut too and I suddenly had to take three trains and two busses to go see people who lived two to three hours away by car took me something around 6 hours to go on a 2 hours ride anywhere. One time they flat out canceled my bus home and I was stuck on a train station in Aarhus at midnight Nad would have to wait until 4 in the morning to get home. My boyfriend came and picked me up in the car and told me that from now on he'd drive me when I went because the last few trips I had taken had been disasters and this one had been the worst one yet. I had left for home, btw, at around 5 in the afternoon and wasn't home until 2 in the morning. That trio would have taken me 3 hours by car. Public transport forced me to be on the go for 9 hours and that is only because my boyfriend picked me up. If he hadn't done that, it would have been 13 hours.
That is unacceptable. And from what I have been told recently, public transport has only gotten worse in Denmark since. But I'm so happy for people in Copenhagen that they get to have busses, trains and metro that arrive every two minutes and take them anywhere they need to go. Must be nice.
Those could elect politicans who improve their situation. Otherwise, it just looks like people have chosen a non-sustainable way of life, do nothing to improve that, but moan when they are bitten by consequences. I even know about a community outside of Munich where people oppose to set up bus connection (apparently they fear that poorer people move there).
And of course, poor people should receive help - but come on, not everyone who moved to a large house in the middle of nowhere is poor.
Apart from that, by far most the population lives in cities, suburbia, and metropolitan areas. Here is where improvements help in the quickest way, and often are most efficient.
You really like putting the onus on people who are held captive by systems they have very little control over.
I thought the US is a free and democratic country? What happened?
Haha...
Running buses in rural areas just doesn't make economic sense. There are just too few people, buses are running empty most of the time, buses are rare and bus stops are far away. Also, in those rural areas many people don't have supermarkets within walking distance. Did you ever try to bring an entire shopping cart full of groceries home by bus? Because that's how much a family can consume in a week.
You are describing the status quo, not the changed system we need. The superb systems of Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Berlin, Vienna, Paris did not appear overnight out of the blue sky. They are result of political decisions, planning, and sustained, persistent efforts.
By the way, the US had in the 1920ies to 1940ies a traffic system based on dense street car, bus, and train connections. Germany in the 1950ies. People had far less money then. It is certainly not uneconomical.
Funny that you ask, last week I went to the beverages market with my bike trailer and because it was hot, I asked my older neighbor whether I should get something for him, too.
I returned with four beer boxes of about 15 kilogram each, which is about 60 kilograms, a full load of the trailer.
If you are in Europe, I can't recommend the company "hinterher" enough which produces these trailers: Their web site is at https://hinterher.com/ . They are light, extremely sturdy, almost over-engineered, and fully foldable. Not cheap but worth every cent.
Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Berlin, Vienna and Paris are large cities. If you try to run as many buses in a rural area, they will be empty most of the time. If you try to have as many supermarkets as in a large city, they will be empty too.
Also, all of those cities have a mild climate. In a harsh climate, even walking to a bus stop is untenable for some people.
Only in a dominantly car-based system.
Many poorer countries cannot even afford such a car-based system. The use a system based on public transport which already shows that it is more economical.
That's also a macro-economic argument against cars: They cost a lot of resources and money which is not well spent. Ultimately, money for gas ends up for drilling holes into the ground. For EVs, it is not much better. While a transport system based on bikes and public transport leaves far more money in the local economy.
Because rural areas have smaller population density, there are fewer passengers. In such places, there are usually fewer routes, bigger interval between buses, no service during nights and/or weekends. If you need to go somewhere where there is no direct bus line, you may need to take a long detour. Running buses where there are few passengers is uneconomical: an empty bus uses more fuel than a full car. Bicycles can help, but not everyone is fit enough to ride long distance. Also people don't want to ride bicycles during rain, snow or heat. In such places, most people have cars. At least there is no shortage of parking space.
Did you try riding uphill with that much load? In hilly places with steep inclines, a bicycle is almost useless, because it is easier to walk uphill than to ride.
Hehe, I lived in Edinburgh which has a couple pretty impressive slopes. My favorite was Princess street down to Dundas street, snd up the Blackford Hill. It is really nice to have a hub gear and hydraulic disk brakes there.
If I did that kind of shopping there, I'd use an eBike.
And no, most larger German cities and their surroundings are pretty flat, because the are situated at large rivers, such as Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Hannover, Cologne, Frankfurt, Leipzig, Dresden, Bremen, and so on. Stuttgart being an exception.
If you live in a country then you are evil and problematic. You should move into the city like a civilized progressive person. That's how humans have been living for thousands of years, it's a natural habitat for humanity.
What you are confusing a bit is the traditional human life style of living in the countryside on a farm, growing one's own food, and being self-sufficient, with the "American Way of Life" with living in Suburbia, working in an office in the city, daily commuting huge distances with use of fossil fuels, and burdening the rest of humanity with the fallout from that. The latter is just plain unsustainable. And exactly these people want subsidies to sustain it - at the cost of all others.