▲ 107 ▼ Centrist libs be like "i prefer fascism over social democracy any day" (thelemmy.club) submitted 2 weeks ago by thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net to c/slop@hexbear.net 35 comments fedilink hide all child comments Tweto https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/2085238368128962595
[–] huf@hexbear.net 36 points 2 weeks ago* (4 children) the current establishment/voter base cant even produce/tolerate an FDR... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] 9to5@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children) I´m assuming the best possible outcome atm under electorialism....which ofc wouldnt be socialism. But some very basic socdem policies. I dont think a better outcome is possible under the current circumstances. I will totally admit im not thaaat in touch with US politics. So I will be open to challenge on this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* there is no real pressure from the left on any of the western political establishments, so they're all freely wallowing in chauvinist austerity with characteristics pretty much. they're clearly more attached to their white supremacy than to their welfare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago I wish it weren't the reality that conditions must get even worse for revolution to happen. I live a relatively comfortable life so long as my parents remain alive. Once they pass, though, straight down the poverty hole. But too many people still see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires and not as systematically barred from wealth. Maybe conditions don't need to worsen if people were informed, but even where people are willing to teach, so many are unwilling to listen. I know there's that essay about how brainwashing isn't really a thing like we think of it, but I think it still has some truth to it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lussy@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago possible under the current circumstances. The conditions are actually great but the culture is absolutely rancid. If you look at the the circumstances leading up to the Russian Revolution, socialists were concerned the proletarian base was far too small in numbers and the country far too agrarian and detached from capital to bring about a revolution. What we have mown is a population that is overwhelmingly made of real proletariat as far as their relation to capital is concerned but and I’m sorry since this is such a touchy subect, white supremacy is so pervasive and takes such extreme precedence in American (including leftist culture) here that any proletarian revolution will be severly weakened. Yes, it is racism that is the biggest hurdle overcome. Class consciousness is actualky fairly prevalent lest it cross racial barriers and then suddenly people want to establish divisions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* Bernie is a dirty word, and deservedly so, but the democratic establishment went nuclear against him in 2020 And he's only mildly left of center Any FDR analogue would get shot before they got that far permalink fedilink source parent [–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago I wonder if that could happen with a politician who has FDR’s charisma. Bernie kind of didn’t have it. He was liked for his policies but wasn’t exactly the “I could hang out with him and have a good time” kind of guy that Americans seem drawn to when voting permalink fedilink source parent [–] Castor_Troy@hexbear.net 1 point 2 weeks ago They'll put non-whites into camps, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children) I´m assuming the best possible outcome atm under electorialism....which ofc wouldnt be socialism. But some very basic socdem policies. I dont think a better outcome is possible under the current circumstances. I will totally admit im not thaaat in touch with US politics. So I will be open to challenge on this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] huf@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* there is no real pressure from the left on any of the western political establishments, so they're all freely wallowing in chauvinist austerity with characteristics pretty much. they're clearly more attached to their white supremacy than to their welfare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago I wish it weren't the reality that conditions must get even worse for revolution to happen. I live a relatively comfortable life so long as my parents remain alive. Once they pass, though, straight down the poverty hole. But too many people still see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires and not as systematically barred from wealth. Maybe conditions don't need to worsen if people were informed, but even where people are willing to teach, so many are unwilling to listen. I know there's that essay about how brainwashing isn't really a thing like we think of it, but I think it still has some truth to it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lussy@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago possible under the current circumstances. The conditions are actually great but the culture is absolutely rancid. If you look at the the circumstances leading up to the Russian Revolution, socialists were concerned the proletarian base was far too small in numbers and the country far too agrarian and detached from capital to bring about a revolution. What we have mown is a population that is overwhelmingly made of real proletariat as far as their relation to capital is concerned but and I’m sorry since this is such a touchy subect, white supremacy is so pervasive and takes such extreme precedence in American (including leftist culture) here that any proletarian revolution will be severly weakened. Yes, it is racism that is the biggest hurdle overcome. Class consciousness is actualky fairly prevalent lest it cross racial barriers and then suddenly people want to establish divisions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huf@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago* there is no real pressure from the left on any of the western political establishments, so they're all freely wallowing in chauvinist austerity with characteristics pretty much. they're clearly more attached to their white supremacy than to their welfare. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago I wish it weren't the reality that conditions must get even worse for revolution to happen. I live a relatively comfortable life so long as my parents remain alive. Once they pass, though, straight down the poverty hole. But too many people still see themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires and not as systematically barred from wealth. Maybe conditions don't need to worsen if people were informed, but even where people are willing to teach, so many are unwilling to listen. I know there's that essay about how brainwashing isn't really a thing like we think of it, but I think it still has some truth to it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago possible under the current circumstances. The conditions are actually great but the culture is absolutely rancid. If you look at the the circumstances leading up to the Russian Revolution, socialists were concerned the proletarian base was far too small in numbers and the country far too agrarian and detached from capital to bring about a revolution. What we have mown is a population that is overwhelmingly made of real proletariat as far as their relation to capital is concerned but and I’m sorry since this is such a touchy subect, white supremacy is so pervasive and takes such extreme precedence in American (including leftist culture) here that any proletarian revolution will be severly weakened. Yes, it is racism that is the biggest hurdle overcome. Class consciousness is actualky fairly prevalent lest it cross racial barriers and then suddenly people want to establish divisions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* Bernie is a dirty word, and deservedly so, but the democratic establishment went nuclear against him in 2020 And he's only mildly left of center Any FDR analogue would get shot before they got that far permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago I wonder if that could happen with a politician who has FDR’s charisma. Bernie kind of didn’t have it. He was liked for his policies but wasn’t exactly the “I could hang out with him and have a good time” kind of guy that Americans seem drawn to when voting permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Castor_Troy@hexbear.net 1 point 2 weeks ago They'll put non-whites into camps, though. permalink fedilink source parent