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[–] 88 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Still racist

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  • [+] -71 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    I mean, genuinely, how? It's not saying you need to be Japanese to enter, just that you need to be able to read Japanese. IMO, learning the local language of a country you plan to visit is a basic courtesy that too many people don't bother with.

    Okay, I take it back. I was thinking too much from the perspective of an American who's been scolded for not spending enough time learning the language of places I visited. Thank you to the people who pointed out that what I said was ignorant without just piling on insults, I'll try to be more thoughtful in the future.

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  • [–] 90 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    "I'm tired of all these immigrants coming over here and not even being able to speak the language. This is [country] and we speak [language] here!"

    That's what you sound like.

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  • [+] -32 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It's their country. Aren't they entitled to make rules?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    If you tie the availability of housing to whatever language someone speaks instead of something tangible related to the respective person, it's racism.

    I used Google Lens to translate the bottom text. Do you think that if i would go in there using my phone to translate i would get a room for the night?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Not being able to communicate, participate, doesn't help either side. Buying a house, without being able to communicate is on its way to forming and insular community and not simply being denied service that is otherwise open to the public.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    But this sign is for a restaurant, not for buying property. This is simply racism because they don't want anyone outside of their cultural circle intruding..

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English and only English? If a couple next to you at a cafe are speaking French to each other do you tell them to go back home?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm not an expert on Japanese culture, but I don't think they have the "melting pot" cultural identity that America has had historically.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So it's not xenophobia if you've been consistently xenophobic from the start.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Was it xenophobia for Algeria to reject French-speakers?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Are you seriously trying to say colonialism and tourism are the same thing

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    Xenophobia: the fear or intolerance of foreigners

    No, tourism and colonialism aren't the same thing, but in this context it doesn't matter.

    Besides, which one are we talking about in Japan? We could call it tourism, but don't you know they've literally been occupied by the US military since WWII?

    And if you want a strictly tourism example, then how about Barcelona? How is this any different from a giant mural that says "Tourists go home"? And least in Japan they don't spray gaijin with water guns...

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Do you believe that anyone existing in America must speak English

    Yeah, eventually. If I'm going to live in a country indefinitely, I'm going to try to learn their language. If I'm in France for more than a year, I'm going to try to learn French. I'd expect the same of friends and family. It's not racist to expect people living in a place long term to be able to converse with the locals.

    If they're working here for just a summer or two and spending most of the year in another country, no.

    and only English?

    No?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah, eventually. If I'm going to live in a country indefinitely, I'm going to try to learn their language.

    We're not talking about eventually or indefinitely we're literally just talking about visiting a restaurant for a meal

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Sorry, you asked a question that could have been seen as different from that context, so I was very explicit.

    No, for just visiting you don't need to learn the language. If you plan to stay long term, you should learn the local language.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    America is a country founded upon immigration, so it's not a comparable example. In broad terms, Japan is historically a fairly homogenous nation ethnically, culturally, and linguistically (and yes, I know those are very broad terms, I'm talking relative to North American countries like the US and Canada).

    If the 1600s-1700s had gone differently, and North America remained predominantly populated by Native peoples speaking Native languages, then yeah I'd say it's totally within their rights to expect visitors to either learn the local language and attempt to integrate, or be left out of certain parts of society such as restaurants that want to cater exclusively to people who speak Algonquin or whatever.

    Show up in Algiers and try saying "Sorry, I don't speak Arabic. Do you have a French menu?"

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    ... How many countries have you ever visited to say that

    Like, being able to speak the very basics I agree. Numbers, hello and goodbye, thank you, etc.

    But "If you can read this, you may come in" is pretty advanced. Like, probably requiring weeks of daily study level advanced to be able to understand.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ah, yes, everyone whould spend months to learn the language of every country they visit even though they might be there for only a few days.

    How are you this dumb? I highly doubt you've ever been outside the country you were born in, and if you have you certainly didn't follow your own thought here.

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