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He's not necessarily wrong, there are certainly issues with democracy (stares at the US and Trump), it's just that we haven't figured out a better system yet.
The problem with the US system is how easily corruptible it is by people like Tobi Lutke. Not because one person is afforded one vote.
He is totally wrong. Flat out completely wrong. and he's an asshole.
"I should get more votes because I'm rich!" is wrong. "My vote should be more equal" is wrong.
I'm not saying he's right, I'm just having a discussion about related topics.
Oh we have. He's just not gonna like it. It's expanding democracy to the place where everything happens - the workplace. Worker democracy where Tobi's vote is equal to every other worker at Shopify.
Unions are great, but they don't really figure into country governance?
Didn't mean unions. Unions are a solution for traditional corporations. I'm talking about one-worker-one-vote co-op ownership model. Mondragon-style. If that's the dominant firm ownetship model, Tobi would have never become a billionaire as Shopify workers would have always voted to distribute the profits much more equally amongst themselves with a bit more for him. If they thought he deserved it. Therefore Tobi wouldn't have gotten the wealth needed to lobby the political system to work for his interests instead of his employees who have way more political votes.
Actually unions have historically also served a role in country governance by using their financial and collective power to counter-lobby the political system in the interest of their members. But they never got powerful enough in North America and there are some reasons to believe they tend to lose in the long run to capital owners even when they get the upper hand for a while.
E: Wasn't my downvote.
Yeah, it's annoying to have a good faith discussion being treated like a competition by outsiders.
I agree with you, but it wouldn't really fix the issues with democracy that we're seeing in the US, including but not limited to a (intentional) collapse of education leading to really uninformed voters.
Don't you even worry abt it.
If anything the American "situation" is proof of too little democracy. Their system is archaic, incredibly difficult to reform, with ridiculously tiny winning coalitions compared to the selectorate, with winner-take-all cosmic level elections, and with all sorts of anti-democratic "safeguards" (remove the quotes if you're a rich white guy) baked in right from the start of their republic.
Yeah, but it's very much a 'there but for the grace of God go I' situation. There's really nothing preventing any other democracy from ending up the same way, given enough time and unchecked Sino-Russo propaganda.
I could name one Communism, you know where the community works together to better the community. I hold a political belief a little further to the right than communism, because I still like the idea of having a country so I fall left of Socialism.
So hey look at that I named two/three political systems that are better than Socialist Democracy vs capitalist democracy, Communist Democracy some would argue that is the same as a socialist democracy, or true stateless Communism.