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The verdict is in: Canadians hate America thanks to Trump
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No, thanks to the people who elected Trump. This isn't going away when Trump dies.
It's not just the people, it's the culture. Even USians that voted against Trump are marinating in a largely badly educated culture steeped in racism, unquestioning patriotism that often and overtly overflows into nationalism, a belief in exceptionalism, militarism and predatory capitalism. Fostering egotism, not necessarily stupidity but a hugely self-centered ignorance and aggressive distrust of a society that is overly individualist and a state that is corrupt.
Trump and his ilk are not the cause, but the symptom of this underlying sickness. And to heal that would take an enormous national effort to move away from money in politics, away from a national narrative of being better and more free, away from pride and towards rolling up your sleeves and going to work to fix things and where necessary reform not only society but how people are taught and think towards critical analysis and towards a more balanced approach between individual and societal freedoms.
An effort so enormous that I cannot fault the people who say this cannot be reformed peacefully and will likely result into a violent negotiation of the path forward. (Not that this would be preferred or even welcome, just that it is likely to either happen if, or be needed as a prerequisite that, meaningful change happens)
And the US is far from the only country that needs to change it's just the worst offender concerning pride in how fucked up they are AND as the cultural and military hegemon of the west their behavior affects others the most.
To be fair, some didn't realize what was actually going to happen and were naive and regret what they'd done.
TWICE??
People grow uo all the time. Maybe someone was 15 and their mind was into pedal bikes and video games in his first term.
But that's ok, y'all can be angry
15 year olds can't vote.
Also, you straw manned that pretty hard. You know exactly who OP is talking about.
As soon as Trump voters were fine with the "grab them by the pussy"-tape, they showed that they were indeed all evil assholes. And that was before he was elected in 2016.
There is no excuse.
For many years of my life I buried my head in the sand on politics. Ignorance is bliss, etc. Not everyone is paying attention, maybe heard something from a passerby or a friend, or listened to fox news while at their dentist appointment, etc.
I don't think people give enough thought as to other peoples lifestyles. Then you have the base that was just fed up with democrats and wanted change.
Woot to their 2 party system, I guess.
My point is, not everyone pays as close attention as they should or are educated enough to vote, and that's an issue.
That excuse might have worked in the first term. But after Jan 6, there was no doubt about what Trump is. Americans voted for him anyway.
This is just who Americans are. There is no reason to believe someone like Trump (or worse) won't get into power in the future.
I think part of the problem is that Trump wasn't prosecuted for January 6th. Some people won't believe it happened, or won't believe it was a serious issue, unless it is prosecuted. Right now, I think my grandmother doesn't believe Trump is as bad as I say he is because she has enough faith in legal systems that she believes something would be being done about it if he were actually committing such serious crimes. To be clear, my grandmother recognizes Trump is bad but not as bad as he really is.
Yeah...the deflection is tedious. They wanted Trump. Now they're all like...
As if they won't do it again.
I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people who think Trump's first term was fine ...
The COVID dead didn't vote in 24.
Ignorance is bliss.
You make a good point.
Well, they had a trial run. Not only that they got plenty of warning from those outside.
I don’t know how many passes we have to give the American population ay. No one else gets the same grace.
That's true, certainly.
But just for the sake of an accurate recording of history:
-Americans did reject him after his first term.
Now, none of this is an excuse. He was bad enough term 1 to be incomprehensible as someone to ever be elected again. And project 2025 was telegraphed. There is no excuse. But his first term and his second term are significantly different in scale, not even really comparable.
Oh, and let's ignore that between the first and second term he led a violent insurrection with intent to assassinate Mike Pence. SO YOU RELECTED HIM.
They might be, but there was still plenty enough warning.
This is across the board too, the supposed progressive party saw what was happening as well as the people.
Honestly, that it was somewhat different is an afterthought and we knew beforehand it would be.
They even told everyone.
Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying. Project 2025 was pretty clearly the template for his next term. It was all in the open. There is no excuse.
But for anyone not paying any attention and perfectly ignorant of anything beyond thier lived experience of his first term (gonna say that's a lot of people, honestly): I don't think this is what they expected.
I think some of those people who weren't paying attention and were going off stale memories of his first term... they're not happy. But... I think other people in that group are actually thrilled. So, as a whole, still kinda balances out.
So, no justifications or excuses... but I do think some people got something different from what they expected.
Well, I can’t say much for their powers of observation then because it was pretty clear.
Bad enough they vote that way anyway. Worse that they vote religiously. I wish that lesson could be learned.
Fuck. Them.
To be fair, anyone with half a brain could see this coming in 2015.
Our ability to forgive their ignorance should be measured. We should do our best to help them learn, certainly, but they need to understand the gravity of their choices. Anger is part of that
I think a lot of them have learned. I've seen so many clips of people coming out saying it was the worst decision they ever made. Sadly, that's a handful I'm sure.
This is why the Untied States should allow for early elections if the president fucks up badly enough. In Canada, sometimes elections are called early if enough people are unhappy with the government