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Is it me or does Lemmy have a propaganda problem? (lemmy.zip)

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In the past week I've been absolutely roasted for criticising two different countries. Normally I'd be okay with that, I can handle a mild toasting and after all debate is a good thing.

On both occasions though I was flamed for mentioning human rights issues that are established facts and have been known for many, many years. I was critical of the actions/laws of their governments and not the people, their race, religion, general political ideology or nationality.

On both occasions I was bombarded by long posts that parroted propaganda, and in the case of one country I was told (on multiple occasions) that I was ignorant, racist and even fascist for mentioning the issues I did. I'm not complaining about how I was treated, but as a reminder, I was discussing internationally-recognised human rights concerns that can be verified and based in fact.

I could just be paranoid but I'm fairly convinced the responses weren't from patriotic citizens. I think they were paid trolls or bots, and I think their purpose was to quiet negative talking points about the countries that were mentioned.

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -3 points 8 hours ago

Not sure if this is MAGA or lefitst conspiracy talk. Y'all sound about the same these days.

[-] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 5 points 5 hours ago

The difference between me and a conspiracy theorist is that I can point at past evidence. COINTELPRO is a historical fact, and part of that program involved infiltrating dissident groups and acting as agents provocateur. The Church committee found that the FBI engaged in "covert action designed to disrupt and discredit the activities of groups and individuals deemed a threat to the social order." The committee also found that the tactics employed by the FBI "would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity."

I am not saying the FBI is definitely here now. What I am saying is it would be naïve to assume that they would not be willing to run an influence operation on public forums where people skeptical of the US government gather, and it would be foolish to assume that nobody else is carrying out similar operations for their own respective interests, state-level or otherwise.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah J Edgar Hoover got up to all kinds of crazy shit. But that was a long time ago and was primarily about being against communists and black civil rights activists.

Most conspiracy theories fall apart when you just ask the question "why would they do this?"

So... why would the FBI be pushing the kind of content we see on lemmy? Why would the FBI be promoting socialism and anti-zionism? Why would the FBI be promoting trans rights? Is there some hidden agenda which would explain why the FBI would be promoting linux and other FOSS on lemmy?

I don't really see anything on lemmy that would be in the interests of the FBI to be pushing. They might be monitoring things going on here, but which content are you seeing that looks like it's coming from the FBI?

Foreign countries though? Yeah, they're interested in trying to push anyone "radicalized" to do anything which would destabilize their adversaries. And if you look at the content on lemmy, much of the geopolitical discussion is very unhinged and often is trying to push people towards violence.

[-] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I think there's a motive. If I were the FBI I wouldn't be too concerned about actual violent outcomes, so long as they were lone wolf attacks or the product of tiny cells of radicals. It's like a controlled burn in a forest. You get the fire out of the way before it reaches a critical mass. "Voting doesn't work, burn down a government building" is a real hard sell to someone with a stable job, but the people it does sell to might one day be the types of people to organize and lead a meaningful opposition. So you flush them out early and fast. Some people might die, but Director Patel told me to catch leftists, not to prevent violence. As an added bonus, each violent act turns liberals more and more against what they perceive as an inherently violent ideology. "These are terrible times, and maybe if it prevents another bombing mass surveillance is acceptable even if I don't like it," they might think. You don't have to go back too far to see that mindset in action. In the aftermath of 9/11 Americans saw an unprecedented erosion of their civil liberties. Terror is good for an autocratic regime.

That being said, I will grant that there's no evidence of this. But then again there wasn't evidence of COINTELPRO until the FBI field office in Media PA got broken into by a group of concerned citizens. Not that I'm condoning B&E. I also don't think it would be productive to point fingers even if there were evidence the FBI was doing COINTELPRO 2. "So and so is a fed" is actually one of the tactics used in COINTELPRO to sow discord in infiltrated groups. Just, maybe we should keep in mind that we're bound to see some discourse here that is trying to get us to play a useful idiot.

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