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[-] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 44 points 14 hours ago

All it takes is one person using an LLM tainted with proprietary code which then just gives them that code line for line to undo decades of courtroom defense.

[-] black0ut@pawb.social 31 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Not only that, but AI output can't be licensed/copyrighted. The GPL license no longer covers the kernel in legal terms.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

The GPL license no longer covers the kernel in legal terms.

The uncopyrightability of AI-written code only applies to the actual strings of code generated by an AI, not to the entire project.

A person could ignore the GPL if they only copied the AI-written portions. But, how could they know for sure which lines were AI generated and which were not? A wrong choice would leave them civilly liable for copyright violation and all they stand to gain would be tiny portions of the Linux kernel code which are worthless by themselves.

There's no reason to steal the AI generated portions and risk a lawsuit, when you can just generate your own code.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 8 points 11 hours ago

There seems to be legal discussions about that. It’s not quite as simple as you say:

However, there may be cases in which a different assessment is justified, namely when users use and operate the LLM as a tool that merely implements their personal creative intent. This could be compared somewhat more vividly to using a paintbrush. If the brush merely rolls over the paper, for example because it is dropped, no copyright-protected work is created, even if paint remains on the paper. However, if a painter deliberately swings the brush in a certain way, a protected painting can be created. If AI is used in a comparable way a copyright-protected work can indeed be created.

https://kpmg-law.de/en/ai-and-copyright-what-is-permitted-when-using-llms/

[-] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 9 points 11 hours ago

Yeah any decision would be on a case by case basis, which is normally something you'd want to avoid.

I've seen a couple of Linux devs talk about how they just give a prompt to claude and walk away leaving it alone to spit out the code, none of which can be licensed as GPL. But good luck working out what specific lines of what specific patches of theirs used an LLM vs. were re-written or such.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 4 points 10 hours ago

I've seen a couple of Linux devs talk about how they just give a prompt to claude and walk away leaving it alone to spit out the code

While I share Linus opinion on LLMs, I think doing this shit is extremely stupid and lazy.

[-] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 2 points 4 hours ago

And extremely abusive, since they don’t review the code fully, but a human must review the whole commit before accepting it. They save their time but consume that of others.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 3 points 11 hours ago

Ist that a common thing that LLMs using proprietary code for coding tasks?

Because I don’t think so.

[-] gjoel@programming.dev 9 points 11 hours ago

They use everything for everything, that's the big issue. Also gpl code. Anything they can trawl through they use. And replicate, in part or in full.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 0 points 11 hours ago

They take code snippets and copy and paste them? Or do they create own code based on what they’ve learned by trawling?

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

LLMs don't "create". Under the hood, they're tokenizing the queries, looking for "clouds" of tokens that are similar to the query, then returning a sequence of tokens (with some random noise thrown in) that match what their training data says the answer should be.

In short: all LLM code is an amalgamation of their training data by definition. If there's nothing similar in there, it's literally not possible for it to be part of any response.

[-] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org 0 points 11 hours ago

You’re exactly right. I should have used „generate“ instead of „create“.The point is I don’t think LLMs normally use copyrighted code in a way that would hurt open source projects.

Under the hood, they're tokenizing the queries, looking for "clouds" of tokens that are similar to the query, then returning a sequence of tokens (with some random noise thrown in) that match what their training data says the answer should be.

Lol, so how do humans code in comparison?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 hours ago

You’re exactly right. I should have used „generate“ instead of „create“

Did you purposely respond like an AI?

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Lol, so how do humans code in comparison?

By copy pasting from Stack Overflow

[-] vanillama@programming.dev 2 points 8 hours ago

Human programmers at least can tell you where they got a snippet they copied, whether it was in the docs, stack overflow or elsewhere, and you can try to keep attribution if you care about compliance. Not only that, but most of our skills are related to designing stuff and recognizing which pattern to use, the specific implementation isn't necessary the same unless we go look for whatever we saw in the past, as our memories don't just record everything and repeat it word by word. And after picking up a new language or framework I only need to look around when using a third party library or some API I'm less familiar with, or when something breaks.

[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The point is I don’t think LLMs normally use copyrighted code in a way that would hurt open source projects.

I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, and copyright for code was a hot mess even before LLMs got involved. With how many opportunistic copyright/patent trolls there are and how easily convinced judges have been in the past, it could go either way.

Lol, so how do humans code in comparison?

The good programmers normally code by breaking down the problem into constituent parts and logically working through the problem, step by step. What differentiates this from tokenization is that instead of just looking for code that is similar for a similar problem, programmers can usually understand the effects of each line of code, visualize what the state of each variable will be in that step (or dump out the variables to look directly if unsure), and then move on to the next step. This logical problem-solving approach is fundamentally different from a tokenization+noise looking for a similar-looking problem approach. For one thing, you can solve problems that haven't been solved before.

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