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Why lemmy.world should not defederate from beehaw.org. (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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What defederating would mean:

  • We won't see beehaw.org posts/comments on other instances.

Pros:

  • There is less confusion, you can't respond to a beehaw.org user, thinking they will be able to see your response when in reality they cannot.

Cons:

  • We won't be able to see any beehaw.org comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org users won't see any of our content.

Summary

Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our 'front page').

beehaw.org users already can't see our posts/comments anywhere so it's not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn't really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users.

What do you think?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (41 children)

I still don't understand the decision beehaw made

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Because echo chamber is awesome. When you say something, no one will disagree with you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When you have a group that don’t respect the rules and you don’t want to lower yourself to their level of discussion, you cut them out. Why would they be tolerated? And who is at fault here? The people wanting civility or the trolls causing issues? Why are you blaming the people defending themselves?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cutting the entire world out when there are a few bad guys out there is a stretch. For one troll there are ten meaningfully discussions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Beehaw is aiming for zero trolls, I don't think they care whether the trolls come with some good people too. They're currently in a position to have zero trolls and I think it's a good goal to strive for

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Lemmy currently has several hundred instances, and Beehaw defederated from two of them. They said in their post that they were spending a lot of time dealing with problem posts, and almost all came from those two instances.

And what's the problem? I personally think trying to make a troll -free place on the Internet is doomed to failure unless they close the whole world out, but it's their goal and I certainly support them giving it a shot.

This is all a big experiment, and it's wonderful that different approaches are being tried. We should support that, not piss on it.

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