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[-] Rylo@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yea, it is just frustrating. I really threw myself out there during the entry-into-NATO phase, and there was just...nothing; no public discourse, no pushback from "leftists" to liberals alike, everyone just agreed that it was somehow a good thing and that you were stupid if you were against it. They didn't even need to do a referendum because the political class united so quickly and attenuated every contrary opinion -- none of the politically adjacent organizations I was/am involved in wanted to talk about it. It somewhat broke me to be honest.

Now, I am generally optimistic that globally the marxist position will continue to be strengthened and prevail, but I don't think we will see changes in this

opportunities for the left to provide an alternative vision and narrative if it can manage to finally set aside its Western chauvinism, embrace real anti-imperialism and internationalism, and stop falling for the liberal-imperialist “anti-authoritarian” psyop.

in Europe for a long time. We have generational brain rot, and I am starting to think that wont change until a few generations just die off (either by age or heatwaves). This is not that I think people can't change and more that I haven't seen populations capable of this unless there's a popular revolution, and I don't think that will ever happen in Europe (at least not in a way similar to previous ones).

That doesn't mean I disagree with trying though, and I'll keep doing that. I'm just venting here because IRL I am the one who takes the vehemently optimistic position, so as to not discourage the baby leftists around me.

decaying material conditions will sharpen the contradictions between the chauvinistic outlook and the lived reality to a point where some kind of reckoning must happen.

My skepticism here is that for Europe this usually means Fascism and we see no signs of it being different this time -- on the contrary -- I think socially the case for socialism is much weaker than it was in Germany, Italy, Spain, etc during the 1900s. At least the labor movement was organized, we had a strong Soviet Union and people were not so entrenched into the narratives of the capital class. The political class itself was much more fragmented than today and if we couldn't succeed with a socialisation of our institutions during those conditions, I am relatively restrictive in holding out hope for it happening under our current conditions, which I feel are much worse.

The coming decade of post-Ukraine policy will dictate a lot of what happens. As the material conditions continue to degrade, it almost feels like the most optimistic scenario is implosion and a further weakening of european standing in the world, increasingly forcing us to make amends and respect Africa and Asia. As long as we have a strong Russia, China, Iran, Sahel states, etc, there is at least hope that the EU by necessity is forced to acknowledge multipolarity -- which in the long run will birth a new political consciousness that isn't as chauvinist as the current one.

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