My definition of facts tends to be an objective, verifiable reality or truth that can be proven to exist or have occurred. But the problem is you run into isn't the definition of facts. It's that people interpret facts and then it becomes subjective not objective.

For example many on the left claim it's impossible to be racist towards a white person. So once you allow that creative definition then the question of where is racism coming from becomes a subjective thing.

There's little doubt in my mind that of the last several years the vast majority of hatred and bigotry sexism and other negative things of a similar nature come from the left. In this very thread we have people on the left actively hoping that a duly elected president gets killed. You don't see that anywhere nearly the same from the right. A simple example.

Right wing websites or channels tend to allow any discussion and left when people are free to express their views. I just got banned from a channel on this forum for daring to suggest that the renegood shooting could legitimately be argued to be self-defense for the police officer. Way too controversial had to kick me off that channel. Didn't say it rude or anything. I'm not calling you names here or saying you're a bad person because I don't share the same views as you although I think some of you views are Highly Questionable. And I address your points directly with reason. But take a look at the response to me in this thread

There ought to be a warning note at the door saying left wing views only or the like 😁

And to me, intelligent conversation centers around the idea of addressing the issues and points raised by the other person in a reasoned and logical way while respecting them even if they differ in one opinion, rather than focusing on attacking the person or using cheap debate techniques such as sea lioning.

I mean we're having a reasonably intelligent conversation right now aren't we? You're not calling me a capitalist running dog ignorant Pig Nazi fascist who wants to see all puppies and little children dead, and I'm not calling you a democrat 😆 (BAWAAAHAHA sorry couldn't help it)

people can disagree, even passionately, and still respect the other person's opinion. And still respect the person. I don't have to hate someone just because they think renee good was murdered and if you hate me because i think she wasn't then there's something wrong with you. (this is just an example btw, wasn't stating how you feel about it).

But I think some things should be universally accepted and if they're not then there's really not a lot of basis for discussion. Murder is bad, but the left is really pushing the idea that it isn't these days. Killing a democratically elected president is bad yet here we are looking at people begging for it to happen and this is hardly unusual

If we can't even agree that murder is bad it makes it very hard to have an intelligent conversation doesn't it