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Keep Android Open (Stop Google from limiting APK file usage) (c.org)
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[–] 116 points 2 months ago (41 children)

please just make an android alternative

I want a phone that isn't a closed ecosystem race to the bottom shit phone

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  • [–] 67 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There are, but the market is rigged by monopolists. And things like banks increasingly require apps that won't even run on customer Android ROMs easily.

    The regulators are needed here.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The problem with regulators is that they a) gladly suck corporate dicks, b) gladly opt-in for the same authoritarian methods of population control, and c) gladly ignore common sense altogether.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago* (13 children)

    All of the alternatives eventually run into the same "Will my banking app work on it?" problem. The absence of a healthy app economy is the one thing that can't be fixed by throwing software engineers at it, and it is what caused the death of Windows Phone.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    They should work in a browser no?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Not for things like check deposits, unfortunately

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Many banks require apps for 2FA. This varies greatly by country.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There are open source 2FA. They require like specific apps OTP or something else?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You have to use the bank's own app to 2FA.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    So you can use the website in your browser but still have the have their app installed for 2fa? That's peak bullshit there.

    Google reCaptcha is going to have a similar requirement for accesing half the bloody internet once that goes through. In summary, I think we are fucked.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    God I fucking LOVED my windows phone. Nokia body, windows OS, and no one fucked with making viruses because eleventeen people bought one in total.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Right. It wasn’t the zune guy, limited adoption, Microserfs killing the platform after 7 years or a general lack of interest, a climate of distrust after 10 years of garbage operating systems with new logos and the same Windows NT internals…

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    i hope linux phones succeed

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like that won't be enough. Google is working on locking down the entire internet unless you can pass their reCaptcha with a verified device. See this article related to GrapheneOS and their reCaptcha concerns.

    Sites need to stop using reCaptcha or we are all doomed anyway.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    I'm pretty sure that custom roms will remove that 24hr wait period from their binaries. Android is still open source and removing a check isn't going to be very hard for them.

    The tech ecosystem is as open as you can. Use linux. Use SearxNG. Use graphene or other custom roms. There's options out there, you just have to start adopting them instead of just complaining online about having no choice.

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  • [+] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    I might have misunderstood that all those years, but custom roms like graphene or lineage all use the AOSP source to build "their" stuff on top. Android itself is all the proprietary shit google adds and probably bunch of proprietary firmware drivers, which isn't relevant in the slightest if you switch to a supported device.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, that's roughly what I thought, in which case switching to graphene (or any other custom rom) would completely "release" you from the proprietary grasp of google and their genius ideas. Because even if they add this 24hr lockdown in the AOSP-Project, graphene could rather easiely revert that change in their fork.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Graphene doesn't, they got their own sandboxed google play services compatibility layer. Other OS - no idea tbh.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Not everybody has a choice. I'm currently on grapheneos, but it looks like I may be forced back to android due to national ID requirements.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If your country forces you on a locked down OS for ID requirements, something is wrong entirely. You should absolutely make some noise against that and urge them to allow custom OS. That's a political issue, not a technical.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's not going to go anywhere in my country, unfortunately. Not even a blip on the radar.

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