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[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 9 points 16 hours ago

systemd is a monolith in practice, despite what its advocates like to claim. You can't run just a part of it under another init without doing extra patch-up work (see elogind). Whereas you can run just one GNU utility on top of, or even alongside, someone else's implementation of that or other utilities (for instance, in parallel with a rust implementation that isn't quite ready for the big time yet).

systemd also won't work on anything except Linux. Older solutions also worked on BSD. That matters to some people.

And the issue was never just Poettering's employers. He had a bad reputation in parts of the Linux community long before systemd—he was also the main force behind pulseaudio, which was shipped long before it was ready for actual use in the real world and remained in a semi-broken state for quite a long time afterwards. And he often comes across as personally obnoxious. Nothing like telling someone "I'm not interested in fixing your issues with my project" (except less politely) to get them to adopt your code.

[-] hunger@programming.dev 2 points 8 hours ago

Either you build a tool that works well with one OS or you build one that works poorly with several.

And it is not as if those other OSes are waiting for new cross-OS init tools: They either seem to be happy with what they got or want something tailored to their own feagures.

[-] hunger@programming.dev 1 points 8 hours ago

Considering how widely Lennarts code got adopted: You must be missing something.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 points 5 hours ago

Seriously? You're invoking argumentum ad popularum (which is a logical fallacy to begin with) in a discussion of linux technical details? That's so illogical I can't even.

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