I can't believe a former US marine who joined specifically for Iraq would be violent towards women.
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Also it's not like he denied having it, he for sure had a Totenkopf-tattoo that he put a "celtic knot" over.
https://jewishinsider.com/2025/10/graham-platner-ss-tattoo-maine-senate/
The issue with this kind of stuff is history. As a 40 you’re old American, whose grandfather served in World War II, I had no idea what that tattoo meant before this whole scandal.
The only symbolism we ever went over in school was the flag and swastika. I believe they thought dumb kids would mimic the iconography to look edgy.
Yeah, I keep saying this but idiots keep telling me I must have been a dumbass not to recognize it. I told them to show me a single screenshot of this symbol appearing in any media that depicts nazis or WWII and they couldn't provide one, they just kept deflecting and calling me a dumbass.
It's on every SS uniform
It's prolific enough that's it's specifically mentioned in that "are we the baddies" video. They're wearing it too.
Yes, we all see so many of those on a day-to-day basis, and photos from the time are such high-def it's astounding that anyone could miss it!
(/s, just in case)
You asked for "a single screenshot" and claimed people couldn't produce one, I showed you a whole sketch specifically about the symbol, and now the goalposts have moved to "high definition photos that I personally see on a daily basis."
Okay, so what's that sketch from? I've heard the quote before but I couldn't tell you what it's from. I've never seen the video, and I'm sure I'm not the only one
Also, what year did it come out, and was it before Platner got the tattoo? Cause if that's the only media representation you're gonna rely on, obscure as it is, it doesn't help your argument that he knew what it was if it wasn't even out yet
I feel like you didn't read this:
You asked for “a single screenshot” and claimed people couldn’t produce one, I showed you a whole sketch specifically about the symbol, and now the goalposts have moved to “high definition photos that I personally see on a daily basis.”
Where exactly did I make that argument?
Okay, I guess you're just gonna ignore the entire context of this conversation and call it "moving the goalposts." Whatever.
I chimed in to correct a false statement that you said and now you're trying at assign a bunch of bullshit I never said to me. Whatever.
A false statement? That I had never seen or heard of the symbol before reading about it in the context of Platner, and that I find it very believable that he didn't know what it was when he got it?
When precisely did you correct that? I'm not sure how you even would.
You showed an example of a media clip that I've never seen, that likely hadn't even come out yet when Platner got his tattoo. How does that change anything about what I said?
Clearly you're ignoring the context of the conversation in favor of a cheap gotcha, and it's not working.
You even said that you'd heard the "are we the baddies" quote before, which is frequently accompanied by the screenshot. You also said:
This is very obviously bullshit. When and where did this supposedly happen? Can you link to it? It's incredibly hard to believe that nobody on here would have been able to link to the clip I did. Not to mention that any media depicting the SS is going to have it. Who was "unable" to provide a single screenshot of the SS?
Where in the context was it discussed whether Platner knew what it was when he got it? That's something you added as part of moving the goalposts.
I see this a lot from you lot. It starts off with, "Nobody would know that symbol" and then when pressed you retreat into "He probably didn't know what it was when he got it." Nobody in this conversation said shit about whether he knew what it was when he got it, until you pulled it out of your ass and assigned that position to me, insisting based on nothing that that was the "context."
Yeah, I have heard the quote before. If you're assuming that means I've seen the screenshot, then that just goes to show how prominent the totenkopf is in it, if I didn't even notice it or recognize it later.
And I spoke truly when I said they couldn't provide one. Just because you provide one now doesn't change that. And no, I'm not gonna go digging for an old conversation just to show you.
That's just fucking disingenuous for you to say, this whole post is about how he supposedly has so many red flags, and if you can't glean the subtext that there have been multiple conversations about this then I don't know what to tell you other than he's been heavily astroturfed and smeared by establishment politicians who are terrified of losing ground to progressives and the DSA.
That's not a retreat, that's spelling it out for you in block letters because you can't seem to glean that from the subtext. It's like you want to approach this thread in a vacuum and pretend it's the first time anyone has ever discussed it.
Yeah, I mean if he didn't know what it was when he got it, then what's your point? People try to use it as justification to call him a nazi. That assumes intent, implying that he knew what he was getting. I'm saying I don't find that to be very cogent. And if you can't glean that from the context, then you're either half-blind or being willfully obtuse.
Having a Nazi tattoo is a red flag, in itself, regardless of whether I can prove that he knew it was a Nazi tattoo when he got it. Obviously, the bigger red flag was that he was a Blackwater mercenary, a killer-for-hire who bragged about firing a mortar at civilian targets.
Sure, but that doesn't mean that there isn't plenty of legitimate criticism as well.
Oh, fascinating, so now it's "subtext."
Alright, well the "subtext" that I've been picking up from you is that Graham Platner is a divine being who we should all build temples to and worship. So, I'm going to need you to prove Platner's divinity, or else you're clearly full of shit.
What a ridiculous tactic. You can't just strawman me based on nothing and then claim that it's "subtext."
My point is simply that it is, factually, a Nazi tattoo, and recognizable as such.
Who said that, in this thread? Or is this more of that fascinating "subtext?"
And if someone can't glean that you're asking for temples to be erected to worship Platner as a god, they're either half-blind or willfully obtuse. See, I can say bullshit too.
Source?
You apparently don't know the difference between subtext and a strawman.
And yeah, if you can't read subtext then it would be hard to have any real media literacy at all.
Willfully obtuse it is, thank you for clarifying that.
Recognizing that Platner is a better choice than Susan Collins and we shouldn't be doing maga's work for them by tearing apart his campaign isn't exactly "erecting temples and worshipping," but go off. Clearly you want republicans to hold onto their senate majority...
https://xcancel.com/BenMcCombe/status/1982083117709176945
Let me guess, this is also "subtext." This is such a neat trick. I really don't think you should eat babies, like you're subtextually talking about.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf_(Symbol)#/media/Datei:German_SS_uniform._Peaked_visor_cap_with_skull_emblem_(Totenkopf)._Norwegian_Armed_Forces_Museum_(Forsvarsmuseet)_Oslo,_Norway_2019-03-31_DSC01646_(cropped).jpg
Oh great, you've proven that there's a wikipedia article for it. This is proof that anyone who hasn't already stumbled upon it by chance is clearly a willfully ignorant nazi! /s
The only reason you're even linking it now is because we're already discussing it. My whole point is that hardly anybody knew what this symbol was prior to the discussion around Platner.
Now find a movie, TV show, book, comic, or video game that depicts that symbol on a nazi. Because that's what I meant from the start and you know it.
Read my other comments. I link this because this is the only real source, and for reference. A German! Wikipedia article.
No, nobody was an idiot for not seeing this, most Germans would not know that this was a Nazi symbol. And wearing those symbols is illegal here.
I see. Thanks for clarifying
I fully admit I am not the smartest or best student of history. However I recall no lessons un symbolism in any history class other than ancient Egypt and Neolithic era or late Stone Age.
Make not mistake I am not supporting any hatred other than towards Nazis. However when I first saw the image I honestly thought it was from Warhammer or something.
Yeah, I thought it looked tacky and stupid. I wouldn't have gotten it myself. But I also didn't know it was a nazi symbol until I read about it in the context of platner. Never would have guessed.
I love how the main defense is "bro we all are so ignorant about history that we don't know one of the most recognizable symbols of the nazis, but trust, we can definitely tell this guy isn't one"
I think you’re missing my point. And YES, I just told you it wasn’t part of my history lessons. Are you based in the U.S.? If so, eastern, western, north, south, midwest? They all have different types of history being taught in school. For example, in the southeast there was a much bigger unit on trail of tears than in the Midwest. Also I bet if I asked you the name of the fertility statue from the Paleolithic you wouldn’t know it because it wasn’t part of your history lessons. Clearly that version of the totenkopf image was part of your history lessons or part of your history.
If you asked me what skull a bones together mean I would have said pirates and I would have been right because that’s the version of totenkopf I know. As I have now done a quick read on Wikipedia I must disagree with you about it be one of the most recognized symbols. How can it be one of the more recognized symbols if the main use was in concentration camps. They weren’t flying it all over or even putting it on all the uniforms. So yes, please accept that many people don’t know it.
Also no I didn’t say “ohh no this guy is totally not a nazi” but by all means put words in people’s mouth and ignore what they’re saying as it seems you do constantly. What I’m saying is most people I know, don’t know that symbol and thus can readily believe he didn’t know either. Thus the issue with pointing to it and saying “see this guys a nazi” is history lessons. If you’re going to point to shit, point to his words and comments not a tattoo.
Am I going to go dive into this guys Reddit history and learn about him, no. I will not be voting for him and I won’t be voting for his opponent. Not my area and thus I don’t need to go learn all the shit about him.
The bolded statement is what I take issue with. I don't care that you personally didn't know what the SS Totenkopf looked like. But you do now, and if you now see it tattooed on some guys chest wouldn't that make you highly suspicious of them? Or would you think "nah they probably don't know either"?
I think that this generalisation of "I didn't know, so they didn't either" is really dangerous and gives nazi's even more plausible deniability to switch to openly fascist symbolism. I'm sorry for being so rude, and it seems like it was misdirected at you, but the amount of people that are willing to look past all these red flags (of which the Totenkopftattoo is but one) got me kind of spiraling...
It's so well recognised that Mitchell & Webb made a comedic sketch about that skull on the radio. They later made it into a TV sketch that became even more famous as the "Hans, are we the baddies?" meme. It's up there with the Swastika, SS runes and Sonnenrad as far as nazi symbols go.
Your points and observations are very well taken and I admit yes now I would be like WTF.
Your good man, that’s why we should always keep engaging with conversations and discourse. No apologies needed.
Again you are correct and have change my view on it. Accepting “they may not know” (I honestly wouldn’t put it past people like this to suggest to their entire squad to get ‘this cool skull and bones tattoo’) is a bad position and forgives people for not knowing what they are doing. And I think I read it was freaking months of not years after he was informed and fixed it. If I found out there was a symbol on my body was one of hatred and violence I would find an ink shops that very day.
I had seen it and found the skit very entertaining. However I honestly thought it was just a made up symbols akin to pirates for that skit and only recalled the skull but not the bones. (Doesn’t help that I only remembered the ‘they have skells on them’)
Not trying to be combative with this point because I think it goes with location and personal history. I know you have much more knowledge about this stuff based on how you speak about it. For me it was not a know symbol and not in the top 5. Swastika, SS, war eagle, Astra pistols (my grandfather took one off a soldier in WW2 and had it in his box, to me that was a symbol), then the black sun. Just trying to point out that other symbols were the major ones for me due to the effect they had on my upbringing.
Thanks for keeping people focused on real issues, and continuing to engage in conversations about pitfalls we can fall into by ignoring things.
Thanks a lot!
Ok, after some closer look, it could resemble the SS "Mützenabzeichen", but it could also just be a generic skull.
BTW, the British atme are no nazis are they? https://www.army.mod.uk/learn-and-explore/about-the-army/corps-regiments-and-units/royal-armoured-corps/royal-lancers/
I can not say what exactly that tattoo was there is no clear image I found, so I can not jump to conclusions in any direction.
The British symbol looks nothing like a totenkopf, the tattoo looks exactly like a totenkopf, 1-to-1 on every detail, no matter how much people try to pretend otherwise.
If you have an image that shows that much detail, please provide it. I really want to see it. I have not seen any. I see some black blobs/outlines that's all.
And from what I can see, the eyes would be different than on the SS version, and details in the bones are also not visible.
Still, it could be like you said the exact version. I can not tell.
And of course does the UK skull not look like this. But: skull on bone is a common symbol. Look for the example at this pre-nazi Symbol.
If we don't question the given facts, and form our own opinion, we are not better then the real Nazis.
Discrediting political opponents was part of their playbook.
(I am a German anitfaschist, breaking Nazi bones since 2000, and I am not here to defend anyone, just to animate independent thinking)
First off, that symbol is less similar to the tattoo than then totenkomf (that it 100% is). Second, you could also pull up images of swastikas that predate the Nazis. Should I also suspend judgement if I see someone with a swastika tattooed on their chest?
This is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say in this context. I'm seeing a picture that is, very clearly and obviously, a totenkomf, a Nazi symbol. And all I'm doing is calling it a Nazi symbol. And somehow, describing the thing that's right in front of my eyes makes me "no better than a Nazi."
I don't think it's a totenkopf because I was told it was by some influence campaign to discredit a politician, I know it's a totenkopf because I have eyes.
I mean, come on! "The Nazis discredited their opponents too." Ok then, should I not consider Trump discredited, for fear of being like a Nazi? Sure, my eyes have seen him palling around with Jeffery Epstein, but there's any number of excuses people use, if they really want to. I think there was one narrative that he was just infiltrating the secret pedophile ring to take it down from the inside.
The reality is that there's this enormous pushback whenever anyone tries to hold any politician to any standard whatsoever. It's like some kind of internalized authoritarianism. It's "boys will be boys" dialed up to 11.
I can say with 100% certainty based on the pictures presented that that was a totenkomf. Hell, if it wasn't, why didn't he provide pictures to prove otherwise? But no matter what evidence is presented, it's always possible to just demand high and higher standards of proof to protect politicians from any scrutiny.
First, i never said YOU did not think! How do you assume i have this opinion of you? I said as much as you may be right!
Second, i did the work to CONFORM your statement, something i asked for repeatedly from people that state "trust me bro, this is true".
Here we go, 5 minute gimp job. But asking for proof is considered hostile now? WTF???
This is the part that I responded negatively to:
To me I came across like, "If you discredit a politician you're no better than a Nazi," even though in some situations, like this one, there are legitimate reasons to consider a politician discredited.
The proof was already there. I guess you needed to see it on the specific location the see the similarities? Generally, asking for proof when there's already proof is going to get a negative reaction.
Sorry, that was not my intention. Let me rephrase this: We are living in a political environment, where old Nazi tactics are applied, based on my observations mostly from the political right. I see many echoed statements from people, that never even had a look at the images, his comments and more.
This is bad. We should assume that everything anybody says about a politician is a lie until proven otherwise. Thats the assumption of innocence and always true, but especially now.
Also, again, not claiming YOU do this.
As i stated multiple times, i could not say if it is the same or not. I am autistic, so, it maybe a personal thing, but for me it was not clear at all. Proof is not "i can see it, trust me!", but, "Here it is, everybody now has the same facts and information, independently from his personal feelings, past experiences and interpretation.
And my conclusion currently: This dude did some very uninformed, very stupid stuff. I can not see that he is or was a rightwinger or Nazi, even in comments used against him (defining idiots that have "bolt" tattoos) he makes it political position clear.
Do i think somebody that defends people with literal SS tattoos is somebody that should have political power? No, but not because he is a Nazi, no, just because he is stupid AF.
That's not a pre-nazi symbol that's a proto-nazi symbol...
He doesn't even deny it though?? He confirmed it was a totenkopf in interviews with cenk uygur for example. Good god, the amount of proof you all require to confirm that the tattoo of a guy defending people getting SS doppelrune tattoos, goes on murder spree's in west asia and sexually assaults women matches the SS Totenkopf just to confirm that what? He actually is a piece of shit??
I do not need nothing.
Why should I care? I want to understand, that's all. Maybe just read my other comments..
And, maybe you should read the fucking comments of him defending the SS dudes. He is not a nazi. He is just as stupid as one.
On the rape, no idea. Of course, believe women and investigate, but still, assumption of innocence holds.
But after all, America vote a class of Nazis and Neop Babies into power. A convicted rapist, fraud and openly corrupt man.
But hey, this dude is your biggest problem ATM?
Yeah. Nobody can help America anymore. You are lost
read this again but slowly...
This not a courtroom?? The guy is running for office?? He should meet higher criteria, like e.g. not "defending the SS dudes"?? Or carelessly lobbing grenades into dense population areas?? Or raping women?? What the fuck??
And, again you did not read his commwnts, you did not have a look at the deleted comments database
You asshole just echo some sentiment without checking the facts for yourself.
You did not read my other comments ...
This moron called white America racist, around the same time he defended the SS dudes.
He called himself a communist and more.
I did not found anything about him throwing granades, and I DON'T CARE. USA, the land where kids can walk with full automatic weapons in a school and shoot other kids, and all You do is fucking thoughts and prayers.
I'm the one that dug it out for you! What the hell?
So?? I don't know how confused the guy was vs how much he was just masking but he got a nazi tattoo and went on a rampage with his SS buddies in west asia.
And the nazis called themselves "socialist" in order to appeal to a greater mass of people. Actions speak louder than words and nothing this guy said is incongruent with being an ignorant little nazi, whether he acknowledges it or not.
The platner left in a nutshell
I don't care because I have no relation to this guy, and honestly, fighting the AfD and our current government is more important for me then some idiot in the USA, that should never have bin put on a ballot in the first place.
Do you no exit e. V.? A German organization that helps neo nazis to exit the scene? No? Maybe check this.
Bo defending a nazi is not the same as being a Nazi.
Read the fucking comments.
And I said: I don't know.
I never said you can't say what you want.
Now. I am not allowed to thing critical because this is not a courtroom?? WTF?????
Ja ich kenne exit e.V. keine Ahnung was das hiermit zu tun hat aber ist mir auch egal. Jemand der diese Typen hier verteidigt gehört an die Wand und nicht ins Amt.
Die Unschuldsvermutung bis zum rechtskräftigen Gerichtsurteil ergibt keinen Sinn ausserhalb eines Gerichtssaales. Und wenn es einfach in das Bild passt weil der Typ eh schon als Mörder und Nazi-apologet bekannt ist, es selber zugibt so ein Tattoo gehabt zu haben, was für einen Sinn hat es denn dann noch groß die Pixel zu studieren??
Gut, wenn du Exit kennst. Dann weiß tdu auch das es genügend menachen gibt die fa Landen weil sie es nicht verstehen was es bedeutet. Ernsthaft, ließ seine Kommentare. Der Typ ist einfach zu blöd es zu verstehen. Der gehört nicht in die Politik. Punkt