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i am suggesting that doing so would be profitable.
i don't believe this would be illegal.
Selling tracking data from your customers without disclosing it would absolutely be illegal.
You'd go to jail if you did that in Europe, likely face a huge fine in certain US states too.
They do disclose it, it's part of the paperwork when you purchase the vehicle.
https://support.toyota.com/s/article/Toyota-Insurance?language=en_US
Of course the dealers make it very easy to "opt-in" by accident.
The fact that it's out in the open, literally on the car manufacturer sites, but people still deny this behavior, is a grim omen.
lol, you think the executives would go to jail? or the engineers?
guess what was illegal before the snowden leaks, guess what's legal now.
i don't want to suggest i know the specifics of the law, especially in countries i don't even live in, but to think it's an impossibility is pretty bewildering to me.
edit: also they disclose that shit, just in a very vague way to allow a wide interpretation of what was disclosed.
In EU this would be a massive GDPR breach and cost the company €20 million or 4% of the company's total worldwide annual turnover**
In Germany you face Up to 3 years imprisonment or a fine for transferring data to a third party you weren't authorized to share.
In France Collecting data by fraudulent, unfair, or unlawful means carries up to 5 years.
In California CCPA allows fines up to $7,500 per intentional violation (e.g per customer)
Firstly misleading disclosures are not valid under both GDPR & CCPA
GDPR - Consent must be "freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous"
CPRA definies "dark patterns" as a user interface designed to subvert or impair user autonomy, decision-making, or choice and states outright: agreement obtained through use of dark patterns does not constitute consent.
Secondly do you have any evidence of said disclosures?
has anyone gone to jail through gdpr?
also, really cool stuff collecting all this info thank you.
but yeah, i don't see this conversation going any further, laws state one thing, reality is a-whole-nother. especially when the rich are involved.
i hope to God you are right about all this, i really do, I've just seen it enough times to know...
Not GDPR but the French & German laws which implement GDPR can result in jail time.
Networks aren't magic, if people are sending data from your car it's going to leave a trace, given nobody is showing any traces you might as well be claiming wizards are stalking you.
Urgh, come now. This is currently happening and yes it is likely a breach of EU laws, but it is happening now. Multiple auto companies have been caught doing it, its not a theoretical what if. Like many things if the government does not enforce (but instead gives a fine) then it does not matter what the law says.
You sound like those people saying murder can't happen since it is illegal, but they are just taking the piss.
You sound like one of their paranoid shut-ins that thinks crime rates are going up, even though every metric shows they are going down.
Data isn't magic, you don't collect data on everyone's cars without leaving a network footprint.
You sound like you are putting words in my mouth. You also sound like you have zero idea about current data collection practices to a shocking degree.