▲ 880 ▼ If Europe has started experiencing over 40°C heatwaves frequently, then this planet really is fucked (thelemmy.club) submitted 2 months ago by laurenceOfSuburbia@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world 305 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 249 points 2 months ago (34 children) Yep, and Americans answering with "we're ok because we have AC" is a Don't Look Up moment permalink fedilink source hideshow 43 child comments replies: [–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 78 points 2 months ago (4 children) I sure hope their electricity grid can handle it when everyone turns on the AC and data centers also start pulling extra because it's so hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) At least in my country (Netherlands) the neoliberals have decided every single fucking thing needs to turn a consistent profit and the company who handles the grid is only allowed to upgrade when there is "utility and necessity" which in essence means any time they want to upgrade in anticipation of future demand everyone involved drags their feet. The result of that policy is that now there is a ridiculous waiting list for commercial grid connections and there are plans to also restrict new high capacity residential connections. For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision. Don't even get me started on the attitude that people here have towards A/C. We don't live in a country that's only hot for 1 week a year anymore but lots of ppl just won't accept that. I guess it's climate coping/denial combined with wanting to feel superior to Americans. We will be cooked (literally) EDIT: I just remembered that yesterday they unexpectedly had to cut power to 10000 homes for 14 minutes and it wasn't even a hot day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 child) Business men are myopic and not strategic for 30 years into the future? I am so shocked! 🙀 😲 They optimized their profit, just not yours you gotta understand. I.e the money is not gone it's just somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (1 child) It's crazy to me because surely you would be extracting more wealth from working people (and raising the blessed holy statistic known as GDP) with a grid that actually works and can take on new customers. I know they're evil but I guess they're also just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Take my upvote. I too fail to see how "make something work well, get more money" isn't the obvious default choice for businesses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now. Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future. It's really that simple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands. As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark. The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision. Well thats why, why would they ? why would voters elect them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (3 replies) [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago (5 children) It's definitely not ok, but when treating the root cause will take decades if not centuries (which we absolutely should still do), perhaps it makes sense to look into treating the symptoms as well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 months ago (3 children) To my knowledge a lot of ACs can't even operate at those temperatures, or only in a degraded fashion. The optimal maximum outside temperature of mine apparently is 35°C. After that the radiator can't get rid of the heat fast enough to have the inside unit work at full capacity. There are genius ways to build homes that get cooled down even without electricity. See the "earthship" design for example, routing fresh air through pipes in the ground where it cools down, going through the home as the hot air gets sucked out by a "thermal chimmey" (literally creates airflow by using the sun). If we combined that with good insulation to avoid the sun heating up walls and windows we'd have liveable temperatures inside even at 50°C outside. But western countries not even remotely progressive enough for such a radical but necessary structural shift, so even right now we keep building houses designed to trap heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 months ago (2 children) We're gonna end up having to go with geothermal heat pumps instead of radiators trying to dump heat in +40C air. this guy modified a window unit and was surprised at how well it did. Results @49 minutes. We should also be tripling our insulation requirements to cover the next 50 to 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Just realize the hole he dug is probably the bare minimum to handle the heat load from the smallest window AC. It takes a lot of digging to cool a real AC unit. And European homes aren't known for have large yards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it's surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It's freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you're paying for time on a very expensive machine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's places with district heating from back in the days that people still invested in new infrastructure. We could do the same with cooling but I'm afraid the neoliberal rot has penetrated too far at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago Most of downtown Toronto has been cooled by deep lake water in Lake Ontario since 2004. Cuts electricity use by 75%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Generic residential units are designed to move heat in the ranges they are operated under. Desert units exist that could work in much hotter conditions. Systems can be made to cool way up past 50°C. But cooling the inside of a house/car is way different than trying to farm crops/animals in that heat. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Solar panels and air con are a good short-term solution for the symptoms And by short-term I mean my whole life permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) That would make the oil lobby sad though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) Why? Won't they just get to sell more fossil fuels to meet the electricity demand while politicians endlessly drag their feet on cheaper, renewable alternatives? EDIT: Oh you mean treating the root cause, yeah true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) The problem is that treating the root cause is not profitable. So it will never happen. Ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (5 children) where are these americans saying "we're ok because we have AC"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] treesapx@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (3 children) It's been the defining sentiment to the story when discussed in the US. The GOP has taken to the rhetoric of comparing heat deaths in Europe to gun deaths in US, as in Europe is being far more irresponsible not installing AC than US is not controlling guns (their words). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago (1 child) Mostly MAGA looking to literally die on that hill, (or expect thier grandchildren to) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fishy@lemmy.today 11 points 2 months ago (4 children) I spent three hours convincing a couple MAGAs on nextdoor that global warming is real and we've known for nearly 100 years. Had to go into remedial science mode and explain why greenhouse gasses trap heat in, complete with videos showing CO2 experiments like they do in high school. One guy begrudgingly agreed but the second guy was shook. I think he started coming to terms with the fact he's blindly believed lies and started questioning other "truths". There may be hope, but he might've just turned Fox on after and stuck his head back into the sand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Changing worldviews is hard. I was raised on a steady diet of fox news. When I finally became traveled enough to realize it was bullshit, I had to come to dozens of separate now seemingly obvious conclusions before i had a half-decent picture. Even CNN, ABC, CBS have their own stuff to sell. The media is a business, and it sells. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (3 replies) [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago All over the frontpage last week. https://lemmy.today/post/55740469 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago (1 child) It was so hot last week, I had to move my fucking pepper pants inside. losing a chunk of the growing season is going to go poorly in the near term permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zombieshotgun@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) That’s some spicy legwear! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (1 child) LOL Typo, but I do in fact own some pepper pj's ! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago For hot nights! permalink fedilink source parent [–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago The only ones saying that are the ones thinking beach weather in the Chicago winter will somehow be a good thing. They’re idiots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (5 children) No idea why that's such a hot take by them. So many people have AC here. Houses, establishments, public areas, and increasing for obvious reasons. AC here are nearly always split units though. Our windows don't slide up, so harder to install that type of AC unit that sits on the sill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] reev@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago (7 children) The reason that "it's ok we have AC" is a dumbass small brain take is that the "it" that is allegedly ok in this scenario is global warming. AC won't save most of the planet from the consequences of our choices and actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (4 replies) [–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago Anyone who says that doesnt understand our government hasnt modernized our electric grids at all. They cannot handle these ac demands and the ai datacenters they’re forcing down everyones throats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago Not this american. Ive been screaming my head off about how the machery our society runs on is all designed to run in a specific temperature range, and we are nearing the upper edge of that range now. Most residential air conditioners can only manage a split of 30°F. That means if its 110 outside, your AC will struggle to keep the inside temp colder than 80°F. Sure, there are solutions for this. But they arent being implemented becsuse that is a problem for next quarter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago yeah, its the new form of climate denial https://theconversation.com/the-new-climate-denial-using-wealth-to-insulate-yourself-from-discomfort-and-change-199101 The new climate denial? Using wealth to insulate yourself from discomfort and change permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (25 replies)
[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 78 points 2 months ago (4 children) I sure hope their electricity grid can handle it when everyone turns on the AC and data centers also start pulling extra because it's so hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) At least in my country (Netherlands) the neoliberals have decided every single fucking thing needs to turn a consistent profit and the company who handles the grid is only allowed to upgrade when there is "utility and necessity" which in essence means any time they want to upgrade in anticipation of future demand everyone involved drags their feet. The result of that policy is that now there is a ridiculous waiting list for commercial grid connections and there are plans to also restrict new high capacity residential connections. For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision. Don't even get me started on the attitude that people here have towards A/C. We don't live in a country that's only hot for 1 week a year anymore but lots of ppl just won't accept that. I guess it's climate coping/denial combined with wanting to feel superior to Americans. We will be cooked (literally) EDIT: I just remembered that yesterday they unexpectedly had to cut power to 10000 homes for 14 minutes and it wasn't even a hot day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 child) Business men are myopic and not strategic for 30 years into the future? I am so shocked! 🙀 😲 They optimized their profit, just not yours you gotta understand. I.e the money is not gone it's just somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (1 child) It's crazy to me because surely you would be extracting more wealth from working people (and raising the blessed holy statistic known as GDP) with a grid that actually works and can take on new customers. I know they're evil but I guess they're also just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Take my upvote. I too fail to see how "make something work well, get more money" isn't the obvious default choice for businesses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now. Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future. It's really that simple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands. As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark. The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision. Well thats why, why would they ? why would voters elect them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (3 replies)
[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) At least in my country (Netherlands) the neoliberals have decided every single fucking thing needs to turn a consistent profit and the company who handles the grid is only allowed to upgrade when there is "utility and necessity" which in essence means any time they want to upgrade in anticipation of future demand everyone involved drags their feet. The result of that policy is that now there is a ridiculous waiting list for commercial grid connections and there are plans to also restrict new high capacity residential connections. For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision. Don't even get me started on the attitude that people here have towards A/C. We don't live in a country that's only hot for 1 week a year anymore but lots of ppl just won't accept that. I guess it's climate coping/denial combined with wanting to feel superior to Americans. We will be cooked (literally) EDIT: I just remembered that yesterday they unexpectedly had to cut power to 10000 homes for 14 minutes and it wasn't even a hot day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 child) Business men are myopic and not strategic for 30 years into the future? I am so shocked! 🙀 😲 They optimized their profit, just not yours you gotta understand. I.e the money is not gone it's just somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (1 child) It's crazy to me because surely you would be extracting more wealth from working people (and raising the blessed holy statistic known as GDP) with a grid that actually works and can take on new customers. I know they're evil but I guess they're also just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Take my upvote. I too fail to see how "make something work well, get more money" isn't the obvious default choice for businesses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now. Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future. It's really that simple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands. As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark. The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision. Well thats why, why would they ? why would voters elect them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 child) Business men are myopic and not strategic for 30 years into the future? I am so shocked! 🙀 😲 They optimized their profit, just not yours you gotta understand. I.e the money is not gone it's just somewhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (1 child) It's crazy to me because surely you would be extracting more wealth from working people (and raising the blessed holy statistic known as GDP) with a grid that actually works and can take on new customers. I know they're evil but I guess they're also just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Take my upvote. I too fail to see how "make something work well, get more money" isn't the obvious default choice for businesses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now. Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future. It's really that simple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands. As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark. The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (1 child) It's crazy to me because surely you would be extracting more wealth from working people (and raising the blessed holy statistic known as GDP) with a grid that actually works and can take on new customers. I know they're evil but I guess they're also just stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Take my upvote. I too fail to see how "make something work well, get more money" isn't the obvious default choice for businesses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now. Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future. It's really that simple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands. As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark. The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Take my upvote. I too fail to see how "make something work well, get more money" isn't the obvious default choice for businesses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now. Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future. It's really that simple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands. As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark. The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 21 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now. Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future. It's really that simple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago First they underprice anyone to dominate the market and end up as the only one left. They do this on borrowed money and then they need to monetize. That's the R, the rest is other people's money who cares. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands. As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won't notice until they are sitting in the dark. The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision. Well thats why, why would they ? why would voters elect them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago (5 children) It's definitely not ok, but when treating the root cause will take decades if not centuries (which we absolutely should still do), perhaps it makes sense to look into treating the symptoms as well permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 months ago (3 children) To my knowledge a lot of ACs can't even operate at those temperatures, or only in a degraded fashion. The optimal maximum outside temperature of mine apparently is 35°C. After that the radiator can't get rid of the heat fast enough to have the inside unit work at full capacity. There are genius ways to build homes that get cooled down even without electricity. See the "earthship" design for example, routing fresh air through pipes in the ground where it cools down, going through the home as the hot air gets sucked out by a "thermal chimmey" (literally creates airflow by using the sun). If we combined that with good insulation to avoid the sun heating up walls and windows we'd have liveable temperatures inside even at 50°C outside. But western countries not even remotely progressive enough for such a radical but necessary structural shift, so even right now we keep building houses designed to trap heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 months ago (2 children) We're gonna end up having to go with geothermal heat pumps instead of radiators trying to dump heat in +40C air. this guy modified a window unit and was surprised at how well it did. Results @49 minutes. We should also be tripling our insulation requirements to cover the next 50 to 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Just realize the hole he dug is probably the bare minimum to handle the heat load from the smallest window AC. It takes a lot of digging to cool a real AC unit. And European homes aren't known for have large yards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it's surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It's freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you're paying for time on a very expensive machine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's places with district heating from back in the days that people still invested in new infrastructure. We could do the same with cooling but I'm afraid the neoliberal rot has penetrated too far at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago Most of downtown Toronto has been cooled by deep lake water in Lake Ontario since 2004. Cuts electricity use by 75%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Generic residential units are designed to move heat in the ranges they are operated under. Desert units exist that could work in much hotter conditions. Systems can be made to cool way up past 50°C. But cooling the inside of a house/car is way different than trying to farm crops/animals in that heat. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Solar panels and air con are a good short-term solution for the symptoms And by short-term I mean my whole life permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) That would make the oil lobby sad though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) Why? Won't they just get to sell more fossil fuels to meet the electricity demand while politicians endlessly drag their feet on cheaper, renewable alternatives? EDIT: Oh you mean treating the root cause, yeah true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) The problem is that treating the root cause is not profitable. So it will never happen. Ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 months ago (3 children) To my knowledge a lot of ACs can't even operate at those temperatures, or only in a degraded fashion. The optimal maximum outside temperature of mine apparently is 35°C. After that the radiator can't get rid of the heat fast enough to have the inside unit work at full capacity. There are genius ways to build homes that get cooled down even without electricity. See the "earthship" design for example, routing fresh air through pipes in the ground where it cools down, going through the home as the hot air gets sucked out by a "thermal chimmey" (literally creates airflow by using the sun). If we combined that with good insulation to avoid the sun heating up walls and windows we'd have liveable temperatures inside even at 50°C outside. But western countries not even remotely progressive enough for such a radical but necessary structural shift, so even right now we keep building houses designed to trap heat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 months ago (2 children) We're gonna end up having to go with geothermal heat pumps instead of radiators trying to dump heat in +40C air. this guy modified a window unit and was surprised at how well it did. Results @49 minutes. We should also be tripling our insulation requirements to cover the next 50 to 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Just realize the hole he dug is probably the bare minimum to handle the heat load from the smallest window AC. It takes a lot of digging to cool a real AC unit. And European homes aren't known for have large yards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it's surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It's freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you're paying for time on a very expensive machine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's places with district heating from back in the days that people still invested in new infrastructure. We could do the same with cooling but I'm afraid the neoliberal rot has penetrated too far at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago Most of downtown Toronto has been cooled by deep lake water in Lake Ontario since 2004. Cuts electricity use by 75%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Generic residential units are designed to move heat in the ranges they are operated under. Desert units exist that could work in much hotter conditions. Systems can be made to cool way up past 50°C. But cooling the inside of a house/car is way different than trying to farm crops/animals in that heat. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 months ago (2 children) We're gonna end up having to go with geothermal heat pumps instead of radiators trying to dump heat in +40C air. this guy modified a window unit and was surprised at how well it did. Results @49 minutes. We should also be tripling our insulation requirements to cover the next 50 to 100 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Just realize the hole he dug is probably the bare minimum to handle the heat load from the smallest window AC. It takes a lot of digging to cool a real AC unit. And European homes aren't known for have large yards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it's surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It's freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you're paying for time on a very expensive machine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's places with district heating from back in the days that people still invested in new infrastructure. We could do the same with cooling but I'm afraid the neoliberal rot has penetrated too far at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago Most of downtown Toronto has been cooled by deep lake water in Lake Ontario since 2004. Cuts electricity use by 75%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children) Just realize the hole he dug is probably the bare minimum to handle the heat load from the smallest window AC. It takes a lot of digging to cool a real AC unit. And European homes aren't known for have large yards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it's surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It's freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you're paying for time on a very expensive machine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's places with district heating from back in the days that people still invested in new infrastructure. We could do the same with cooling but I'm afraid the neoliberal rot has penetrated too far at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 child) You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it's surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It's freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you're paying for time on a very expensive machine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It's freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you're paying for time on a very expensive machine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's places with district heating from back in the days that people still invested in new infrastructure. We could do the same with cooling but I'm afraid the neoliberal rot has penetrated too far at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago Most of downtown Toronto has been cooled by deep lake water in Lake Ontario since 2004. Cuts electricity use by 75%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago Generic residential units are designed to move heat in the ranges they are operated under. Desert units exist that could work in much hotter conditions. Systems can be made to cool way up past 50°C. But cooling the inside of a house/car is way different than trying to farm crops/animals in that heat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Solar panels and air con are a good short-term solution for the symptoms And by short-term I mean my whole life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) That would make the oil lobby sad though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) Why? Won't they just get to sell more fossil fuels to meet the electricity demand while politicians endlessly drag their feet on cheaper, renewable alternatives? EDIT: Oh you mean treating the root cause, yeah true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) Why? Won't they just get to sell more fossil fuels to meet the electricity demand while politicians endlessly drag their feet on cheaper, renewable alternatives? EDIT: Oh you mean treating the root cause, yeah true permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) The problem is that treating the root cause is not profitable. So it will never happen. Ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (5 children) where are these americans saying "we're ok because we have AC"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] treesapx@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (3 children) It's been the defining sentiment to the story when discussed in the US. The GOP has taken to the rhetoric of comparing heat deaths in Europe to gun deaths in US, as in Europe is being far more irresponsible not installing AC than US is not controlling guns (their words). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago (1 child) Mostly MAGA looking to literally die on that hill, (or expect thier grandchildren to) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fishy@lemmy.today 11 points 2 months ago (4 children) I spent three hours convincing a couple MAGAs on nextdoor that global warming is real and we've known for nearly 100 years. Had to go into remedial science mode and explain why greenhouse gasses trap heat in, complete with videos showing CO2 experiments like they do in high school. One guy begrudgingly agreed but the second guy was shook. I think he started coming to terms with the fact he's blindly believed lies and started questioning other "truths". There may be hope, but he might've just turned Fox on after and stuck his head back into the sand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Changing worldviews is hard. I was raised on a steady diet of fox news. When I finally became traveled enough to realize it was bullshit, I had to come to dozens of separate now seemingly obvious conclusions before i had a half-decent picture. Even CNN, ABC, CBS have their own stuff to sell. The media is a business, and it sells. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (3 replies) [–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago All over the frontpage last week. https://lemmy.today/post/55740469 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (3 children) It's been the defining sentiment to the story when discussed in the US. The GOP has taken to the rhetoric of comparing heat deaths in Europe to gun deaths in US, as in Europe is being far more irresponsible not installing AC than US is not controlling guns (their words). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 months ago (1 child) Mostly MAGA looking to literally die on that hill, (or expect thier grandchildren to) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fishy@lemmy.today 11 points 2 months ago (4 children) I spent three hours convincing a couple MAGAs on nextdoor that global warming is real and we've known for nearly 100 years. Had to go into remedial science mode and explain why greenhouse gasses trap heat in, complete with videos showing CO2 experiments like they do in high school. One guy begrudgingly agreed but the second guy was shook. I think he started coming to terms with the fact he's blindly believed lies and started questioning other "truths". There may be hope, but he might've just turned Fox on after and stuck his head back into the sand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Changing worldviews is hard. I was raised on a steady diet of fox news. When I finally became traveled enough to realize it was bullshit, I had to come to dozens of separate now seemingly obvious conclusions before i had a half-decent picture. Even CNN, ABC, CBS have their own stuff to sell. The media is a business, and it sells. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (3 replies)
[–] fishy@lemmy.today 11 points 2 months ago (4 children) I spent three hours convincing a couple MAGAs on nextdoor that global warming is real and we've known for nearly 100 years. Had to go into remedial science mode and explain why greenhouse gasses trap heat in, complete with videos showing CO2 experiments like they do in high school. One guy begrudgingly agreed but the second guy was shook. I think he started coming to terms with the fact he's blindly believed lies and started questioning other "truths". There may be hope, but he might've just turned Fox on after and stuck his head back into the sand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Changing worldviews is hard. I was raised on a steady diet of fox news. When I finally became traveled enough to realize it was bullshit, I had to come to dozens of separate now seemingly obvious conclusions before i had a half-decent picture. Even CNN, ABC, CBS have their own stuff to sell. The media is a business, and it sells. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (3 replies)
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Changing worldviews is hard. I was raised on a steady diet of fox news. When I finally became traveled enough to realize it was bullshit, I had to come to dozens of separate now seemingly obvious conclusions before i had a half-decent picture. Even CNN, ABC, CBS have their own stuff to sell. The media is a business, and it sells. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago All over the frontpage last week. https://lemmy.today/post/55740469 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 months ago (1 child) It was so hot last week, I had to move my fucking pepper pants inside. losing a chunk of the growing season is going to go poorly in the near term permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zombieshotgun@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) That’s some spicy legwear! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (1 child) LOL Typo, but I do in fact own some pepper pj's ! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago For hot nights! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zombieshotgun@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) That’s some spicy legwear! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (1 child) LOL Typo, but I do in fact own some pepper pj's ! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago For hot nights! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (1 child) LOL Typo, but I do in fact own some pepper pj's ! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago For hot nights! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago The only ones saying that are the ones thinking beach weather in the Chicago winter will somehow be a good thing. They’re idiots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (5 children) No idea why that's such a hot take by them. So many people have AC here. Houses, establishments, public areas, and increasing for obvious reasons. AC here are nearly always split units though. Our windows don't slide up, so harder to install that type of AC unit that sits on the sill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] reev@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago (7 children) The reason that "it's ok we have AC" is a dumbass small brain take is that the "it" that is allegedly ok in this scenario is global warming. AC won't save most of the planet from the consequences of our choices and actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (4 replies)
[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago (7 children) The reason that "it's ok we have AC" is a dumbass small brain take is that the "it" that is allegedly ok in this scenario is global warming. AC won't save most of the planet from the consequences of our choices and actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago Anyone who says that doesnt understand our government hasnt modernized our electric grids at all. They cannot handle these ac demands and the ai datacenters they’re forcing down everyones throats. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago Not this american. Ive been screaming my head off about how the machery our society runs on is all designed to run in a specific temperature range, and we are nearing the upper edge of that range now. Most residential air conditioners can only manage a split of 30°F. That means if its 110 outside, your AC will struggle to keep the inside temp colder than 80°F. Sure, there are solutions for this. But they arent being implemented becsuse that is a problem for next quarter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago yeah, its the new form of climate denial https://theconversation.com/the-new-climate-denial-using-wealth-to-insulate-yourself-from-discomfort-and-change-199101 The new climate denial? Using wealth to insulate yourself from discomfort and change permalink fedilink source parent