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[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 hours ago

In the history of the world, how many populations have just quietly accepted being conquered by an external force?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -5 points 5 hours ago

Quite a few. That's the story of Colonialism, at least in the early era.

American Natives, African kingdoms, and East Asian archipelagos fell like dominos when a colonial power promised a local faction opportunity to oppress their neighbors with foreign support. The English did it. The Romans did it. The Egyptians did it.

Nationalism, in the modern sense, is relatively novel and largely a consequence of language uniformity, mass transit, and mass media. Even then, it's relatively easy to get - say - a Russian enclave in a Ukrainian state to form a breakaway region at foreign prompting. Or an American political faction to elect a corporate puppet under the guise of "sticking it" to the last person in charge.

[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago

Your history courses have failed you. Colonialism was far from a peaceful process.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I never said it was peaceful. But the colonized have fought for colonizers more often than against them.

Not only were the colonized accepting of conquest. They were enthusiastic participants.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

That's only when their current government sucked. People being oppressed might welcome a foreign invader.

People don't welcome foreign oppressors. There may be some small number of collaborators, but things don't end well for them.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

That’s only when their current government sucked.

Far more common than you'd guess.

People don’t welcome foreign oppressors.

They regionally welcome foreign collaborators. Alberta is a great modern example of Canadians embracing Trumpism on their own terms.

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Jesus christ you're stupid.

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