TubularTittyFrog comments on Anon's lil bro goes through his first break up

[+] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -10 points 2 months ago* (12 children)

worse for who, you?

what if he is happier that way? perhaps the manosphere gave him a sense of purpose and fulfillment that was seriously lacking as a feminist democrat?

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[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think anyone IV dripping a culture that feeds into a person’s anger is going to going to be happier or feeling a sense of purpose and fulfillment. There’s a difference between just being a gym bro and listening to influencers that make money off of playing into your insecurities.

I question how attached they were to a feminist identity either though if a breakup shook the identity off of them.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

Cool, i think ID politics is all bullshit and a crutch for mentally unwell people, no matter it's flavor.

I've known plenty of hardcore leftists who became hardcore conservatives, it's almost as if it wasn't about the politics but them being a nutjob.

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[–] frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

I think identity politics is a bit of a separate conversation. Even the term itself is a bit broad and difficult to ascribe to one thing or another. Do I think some people make one thing or another their entire personality? Oh 100%. And it’s something that’s beyond just politics as well.

Like you said though there are plenty of people that are probably nuts, who only hold onto a label to be part of some ‘counter culture’ group or another. People who don’t really have strong moral convictions aside from wanting to have an audience and would leave their current position in a heartbeat if the spotlight was pulled from them.

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Of course the manosphere gave him a sense of purpose. That's what it was designed to do - to prey on men who don't have enough of a support network, and sell them a false promise to improve their lives in exchange for them spreading hate and propaganda, which in turn attracts more men to the trap. It's just a mix between an MLM and a cult. Having a sense of purpose and fulfillment doesn't mean you made the right choice, it just means someone got you to believe you did.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

and you personally, know what the right choices are for other people?

would you feel the same way if they joined the Catholic church? or is that just a cult of false promise too?

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I don't know what the right choice is, but it's pretty easy to see what the wrong choice is. If you hate other people simply for something they can't change, it's the wrong choice. The manosphere hates women, full stop. That's unacceptable. The catholic church hates gay people, full stop. That's also unacceptable. The current pope is making some changes that might redeem it, but for now it's objectively a bad choice.

What's the right choice for a group to join? Is there even a right choice? Who knows, but if your group tries to tell you to hate someone for something other than a choice they decided to make, it's a sign you should leave that group. The only thing you can judge people on are the actions and decisions they specifically made.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

sorry, where is this group that hates nobody?

part of the definition of a social group is about who it includes and who it exudes, and who it blames for societies faults and issues. and they all think their group isn't hateful.

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

...really, bud? The argument you're going to make is that all groups hate people?

I'm in a baking group with some local people in my neighborhood. We make cookies and cakes to share with one another, and sometimes make things for people in the area who don't have the time or money to afford a birthday cake or something. Yes, there are people who are included and excluded from our group - namely anyone who wants to join can join, and anyone who doesn't, doesn't have to. Sounds real hateful to you, I'm sure. I'm also in a D&D group - we exclude people who we don't think are a good fit with our group cohesion, but we always do so with respect, leaving things on good terms. Who exactly do we hate?

Now, I am also a part of hateful groups. For example, I hate Nazis because they chose to be hateful scumbags. I also hate billionaires because they chose to hoard wealth at the expense of everyone else's wellbeing. I would never hate someone for something they can't control, like their gender or race, though. As I said, the only thing you can judge people on are the actions and decisions they specifically made.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

Right, so if you are hate people, it's justified, but if someone else does it, it's not. Gotcha. And otherwise you're morally perfect or something and totally inclusive, except when the people you don't like join you group, then they must be excluded, but it's not hateful! it's just so nice to ask people to leave if they don't fit your 'vibe'.

Oh what about pedophiles? do you not hate them? or do you have to include them in your D&D group as long as they fit the 'vibe'?

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

Haha, I knew you'd latch onto that. No, I don't exclude people who I "don't like," I tell people who are looking for an experience different from how our group plays the game that they will likely have more fun elsewhere. If they want to give it a shot anyway, they can. But yeah, if they're expecting a D&D game where it's all combat all the time, they'll be pretty bored with our political intrigue game. If they try to force it to be something it's not, we'll ask them to leave because of that choices they made, so that the game can continue.

You want to call it hate? That's fine - it is a form of judgement in the end, after all. But still, it's based on the choices they decided to make, not something they can't control. The most important thing about being in a group is being responsive to the wants of the members of the group. It's called having a normal conversation with someone you're hanging out with, with all the respect that comes with it. I obviously hate pedophiles if they choose to act upon their urges and ruin the life of a child. If they don't, then I wouldn't know about it, so I'd have no ability to judge them one way or another.

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[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

The most important thing about being in a group is being responsive to the wants of the members of the group.

Right, so if the group decides they hate a certain other group, you better get on board, no?

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 point 2 months ago

Responsive doesn't mean agreeable. But ultimately, if you're part of a group where most of the members want to hate a certain other group for something they can't change, and your disagreement isn't likely to change the dynamics of that group to make them stop being hateful, then as I said earlier, it’s a sign you should leave that group.

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