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Carney says the war against Iran was ‘worth it.’ He’s wrong (canadiandimension.com)

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -4 points 5 hours ago

If we keep repeating that Iran didn't have a nuclear weapons program, maybe it will become true?

The facts are that Iran gets uranium from Russian already purified to the level needed for their one civilian nuclear reactor. Any purification beyond this is for a nuclear weapons program. No civilian reactor uses uranium purifies above 5% Iran had uranium purified to 60%. Not quite enough to build a nuclear device (though it could be used for a dirty bomb) but way more than for civilian uses.

The IAEA reported that Iran was hiding nuclear material. Geiger counters don't lie.

All in all, Iran was maintaining a capability of building a nuke so that at any time they could have one within a year. Not keeping a loaded weapon, but having some ammunition at the ready.

They still have that material, but reports are they've buried it to prevent it from being moved. There's still some concern obviously, but it will take more than a year for them to construct a nuke now.

Obviously it would've been better to have not cancelled Obama's deal. Trump killed that in his first term, Biden couldn't get a new one negotiated, it wouldn't have mattered if he did since Trump would've just cancelled that too. Maybe Kamala Harris could've gotten Obama's deal reinstated, but dumbass Americans gotta bring back Trump because "both sides".

Carney looks at the world as it is, not how we want it to be. We don't want there to be an Iranian nuclear weapons program, so out of political expediency and "going along to get along" many people just pretend that there is no Iranian nuclear weapons program. We want there to be a US President trustworthy enough to be able to negotiate a deal with Iran, but that's not Trump. Given who is in power in Iran, who is in power in the US, who is in power in Israel, the options were this or there someday being a true believer take power in Iran that fires a nuke at Tel Aviv. Many on this site might be psychopaths that want this, but people that have actual empathy don't want millions of people to die.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

What a load of bullshit. This war has done nothing to Iran's nuclear program on the contrary it has proven right the hardliners that see a nuclear program as the only guarantee for regime survival. They never ever will make a deal with powers that have consistently broken ceasefires and used negotiations as stalling tactics. This flagrantly illegal war has killed off any chance for a nuclear deal for a generation. Or do you expect a ground invasion to take care of it?

If anything the one good thing to come out of it is that Iran has figured out that it doesn't need a nuclear program to project power, they can just close the Strait of Hormuz.

You're parotting the Israeli doctrine that in the Middle East might makes right. A profoundly misguided and counterproductive doctrine promulgated by a genocidal, nuclear armed apartheid regime. And you're making it about Tel Aviv being nuked. As if that's more of a realistic nightmare than Israel completing its ongoing genocides in Palestine and Lebanon and expanding it at will in Syria, Turkey, Iran, the works.

What a joke.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

You're gonna need to link all your sources. The IAEA has been saying for decades that Iran doesn't have the capability to produce a nuke. The only ones saying otherwise have been the Israel and through Israel, the US.