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Carney says the war against Iran was ‘worth it.’ He’s wrong (canadiandimension.com)

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[-] grte@lemmy.ca 28 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Choice 3: Carney shuts the fuck up and doesn't look like a stupid asshole. That would have been a good one. The guy absolutely didn't have to fall over himself to support this dumbass war, multiple times.

[-] Godort@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

That is an option, but we are still in the midst of a trade war with the US, who remains out largest trading partner.

If Carney can offer platitudes that cost nothing to get some goodwill with the US that might actually help Canadians, then why the fuck not?

Ultimately, Trump (and maybe some armchair policy experts) is the only person dumb enough to not see through this ploy. It's not going to affect his position in any negative way, and has a small chance to affect it positively.

I disagree with Carney on almost all of his real policy decisions, but the man knows how to play politics, and I'd much rather he be in office than PP.

[-] grte@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Does this cost us nothing? I thought we were trying to pivot away from the US. How does it make us look to the rest of the world when our leadership practically sprints to support the US in violating international law?

[-] Godort@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Does this cost us nothing?

Yes.

I thought we were trying to pivot away from the US.

This is a welcome change, but it's a slow process. I don't see why we need to suffer unnecessarily when all you need to do to keep things stable during a massive shift like this is some disingenuous compliments.

How does it make us look to the rest of the world when our leadership practically sprints to support the US in violating international law?

It makes us look like we are trying to calm down the crackhead with a knife by calmly agreeing with them.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 hours ago

They do NOT cost us nothing. Here's a few ways it costs Canada:

it justifies illegal warfare and disinhibits military adventurism
it undermines international law and international institutions
it vindicates extremist and arbitrary militarism as somehow effective
it destroys Canada's credibility and narrows our capacity to intervene in the international stage
internally it alienates and marginalizes part of our own population
it entrenches conspiratorial thinking and distrust in our democratic institutions

And I'm not even getting into the ways it costs us because it's a disgusting and just plain fucking wrong to applaud this completely pointless war that rained down death and suffering to countless innocents, both directly and indirectly.

And all that for what? For sucking Trump's dick which he's already forgotten anyway? Give me a break.

[-] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

Well put, full agree.

Still think Carney is going an overall decent job, and he's 1,000,000,000,000x better than the conservatives getting in..... but this is a big miss.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

disinhibits military adventurism

Right... I can see the scene now "Well, I wasn't sure about going to war but then I remembered the disastrous Iran war and how Canada's Prime Minister said nice things about it so away we go!"

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago

What a silly thing to say. Of course the Canadian prime minister doesn't shape reality with his words. But his words matter. When Carney stood up in Davos the world listened. It is the same leader, a leader of a G7 nation, that says this. Other leaders are listening, a discourse is taking form.

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 0 points 1 hour ago

When Carney stood up in Davos the world listened.

Yes. Because he had something worthwhile to propose, a framework upon which he has been executing throughout his time as leader.

Complaining about the Iran war, which is already seen by almost all as a failure is not a particularly worthwhile or novel hill on which to die. Remember when donald had a tantrum about Ford's mean ads and cancelled trade talks? The unfortunate reality that does shape things is the country to which we send 70% of our exports has a man child president.

Not to mention that one of the biggest threats to any sort of peace is literally donald's ego

Thinking that any leader or any serious politician is taking this as Carney's actual position is just nonsense. You cannot watch the Collins question and answer in their entirety and say that's a man who really backs what trump did.