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[-] Juice@midwest.social 32 points 1 day ago

Incredible how "its not x its y" is being weaponized against critics of the establishment. Like, I really couldn't give a shit about Hunter Biden, he's a joke. Also fuck AI, I wouldn't defend it.

But what you're describing is a teaching method. Just because it gets aped by ai doesn't mean all comparisons are AI. Paulo Friere uses it heavily in his pedagogical method. It was also the name of a book series on teaching methods.. Both were written years, even decades, before the invention of generative text.

Its a basic way of explaining complicated concepts, where you not only have to describe what something is, but what it isn't. You are using a negating method by saying that the text of this tweet is actually not worth considering, because it was generated by AI. Its rhetorical sophistry, presented without evidence, to create confusion and cheapen people's ability to explain or understand complicated concepts, and criticize our own reality.

I dont agree with all of his points, but your argument is cheap and socially toxic.

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

The Freire comparison is interesting but it's doing a lot of work here. Pedagogical numbered lists exist, sure. But Freire's prose is dense, contradictory, occasionally frustrating — because he's actually working through ideas in real time. This tweet is frictionless. Every point lands clean. Nothing trips over itself. That's not a teaching method. That's editing. Specifically, the kind of editing that removes every rough edge until what's left is a series of punchy, shareable, individually quotable lines — each one exactly long enough to screenshot. You're right that they haven't provided a smoking gun. Neither have you. But "humans have written structured lists before" isn't a rebuttal to a specific stylistic critique, it's just pointing at the category and saying the category exists. The question isn't whether a human could write this. It's whether the particular texture of this writing — the evenness, the rhythm, the way it never once loses the thread or goes somewhere unexpected — feels like someone thinking, or someone approving.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Okay I agree and on second thought comparing Hunter Bided to Paulo Friere is, um, a stretch. I'm more responding to this trend where people say, oh you can tell its ai cuz there's em-dashes, or cuz it fits the pattern of "its this not that."

With a political subject, people can be very bad faith. Centrist Democrats calling argument a "whataboutism" or a Russian not, are two very prescient examples. Meanwhile, I find this method of defining a subject in the positive and the negative to be very useful in political discussion, to define not just the essence but the contours/limits of a political subject. It is a good way to make a subject concrete. It makes me nervous to see these arguments more and more. People already accuse each other of being "bots" way too often.

[-] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

This reminded me of a post I saw the other day on Bluesky.

"As a hack writer, the fact that em-dashes and the rule of three have become signifiers of AI demonstrates that they're not just stealing my job, they're ruining all my favorite tools too."

[-] timeghost@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

It's because computers have no chill. The nature of binary is full ham or death. If you had a robot pal and you were chilling on the porch it would immediately propose a scavenger hunt and start bullet listing meditation techniques. Failing that it would put itself on standby mode.

[-] timeghost@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Absolutely. You're right to call me out on that. It's not helpful, it's socially toxic. Also, and this is where truth combines with facts to create understanding &emdash; Hunter used Claude to write that post.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago

Well in the interest of good faith, this is the most coherent thing ive ever seen from Hunter, so I think either had AI write it or some wonk wrote it for him

[-] Mniot@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Using that pattern isn't bad, but look at that text: it's totally over-used and the entire post has less substance than timeghost's mockery.

[-] Juice@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago

Tbh I can't really detect AI text. I can detect AI pictures and voices, but text fools me, so I'll take your word for it

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