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Oh lord yes (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 5 points 4 months ago (16 children)

Actual scientific studies not Facebook slop please.

For pro body builders the holy grail of cutting is zero muscle loss and not one achieves it without chemical help, not one.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Okay, you first.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (14 children)

    Really? You making the outlandish claim boss, 100% because you looked and couldn't find anything

    First fucking result, showing loss of muscle and bone: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(24)00272-9/abstract

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    That's an article about weight loss drugs not fasting. Not the brightest are you.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Which references impact of weight loss on muscle from multiple studies, not the brightest are you?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (11 children)

    So why didn't you link those ones. Nothing you've shown refutes what I've said

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    They are referenced in the article,listed at the bottom, but i don't expect you to follow anything more complex than a Joe Rogan podcast based on what you shared earlier.

    I'd I was you i would go try to find one of those, you might get lucky and find one that links fasting with raw milk and Ivermectin for insane gains as thats how credible what you have posted so far.

    Your failure to link to anything of actual value says it all.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    That's tragic man. Failed to link an article showing what your saying is right, failed to quote from that article to support your point, failed to point out how that proves my source that I provided wrong. Must be embarrassing.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Projection much?

    You made outlandish claims, linked to Facebook slop thats so bad I doubt even AI generated it as even AI would remember to link to some fake research in it, still can't provide even one single scientific paper backing your ridiculous claims, can't even read a high level summary of multiple papers went sent to you (which has the links at the bottom), published by a major journal.

    Surprised you haven't pushed paleo, huge quantities of turmeric for muscle health, or something else equally insane.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    You know what just to flex

    Heres a relevant study. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8308821/

    Heres an interesting part "consensus appears that fat-free and skeletal muscle masses can be preserved, albeit to varying degrees by including both forms of exercise"

    What you'll notice is that the study I linked contained the information I want to show. Not pointing out for any particular reason or anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    That really isn't the flex you think it is, you didn't read it or you didn't understand it, did you? You even quoted the helpful bit above for me.

    It actually supports what I have said from the start, zero muscle loss is an impossible goal without chemical intervention.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    My point has always been that you shouldn't be afraid of losing muscle mass while fasting to lose weight as losses are minimal and you can mitigate them. You've been arguing tooth and nail against me on this. To what end. Why call out my original source that says more or less the same thing as that article I quoted and that you've just admitted is what you agree with. What are you doing.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Your orginal article is garbage, I also gave you the chance to back down from your moronic claims about zero loss multiple times, its this absolute rigidity about a topic you know clearly nothing about thats been your undoing.

    Your second article you tried to claim backed you up but actually backed me up. Perhaps if I posted in minion memes you might have understood quicker, my bad for not realising your level.

    You have argued in bad faith, about topics you know nothing about, endless projection, and are now trying to do the old switcharoo. If I was you I would be booking an extensive course of therapy because this behaviour is just embarrassing levels of self harm.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    You clearly just have a bone to pick. You don't even know why you're mad at me. And you can't even point out what was wrong with the first thing or how it goes against the second.

    You haven't provided a single shred of relevant information to this thread and are literally just vibe checking whatever info I post despite it all saying the same thing. Muscle loss due to fasting can be mitigated with exercise. Cope and seeth.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Fat goes first, muscle mass loss is limited to negligible and can be countered by exercise as I originally said.

    Thats what you said, its so awful its tragic.

    Now trying to gas light again? Can your ego really not take such a spectacular self own?

    Your entire premise across the whole thread is patronising, incorrect, and actually harmful. I have left the majority of it alone because there is so damn much of it

    Your points are the equivalent of telling a depressed person to get out more, or asking someone with adhd have they tried making lists? Its superficial, unhelpful and damaging

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