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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 weeks ago

You think that, but then they always have a revolving door of people in a bad enough position, young and kicked out by their family, newly divorced, any number of reasons they're desperate enough to seek a quick hire and fast cash. Most have a criminal record hindering better employment, the restaurants don't drug test but even grocery stores do, if you smoke weed in an illegal state fuck yourself, if you have a real drug problem in any state fuck yourself again.

And call me when you find a way to bring everyone in this country together on ANY issue. Good fucking luck lmao.

The only way to actually change it would require all those customers to actually make a sacrifice themselves and stop going to the restaurant at all. This would still fuck the workers, but it would be the only thing that also affects the owners. Of course most people refuse to learn how to make their own burgers and chickey strips, so that'll never happen either..

But at least I'm not deluding myself into thinking I'm hurting the workers for their own good. Why don't you just bend the server over your knee and spank her for being a bad girl? I'm sure (just like not tipping) it hurts you more than it hurts them, poor baby, you shouldn't have to discipline your servers like that, when will they learn??

[-] Jason@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, rather than a spanking, maybe you could just make a law to make employers pay a livable wage?

If they can't because they would go out of business, then they should go out of business.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 weeks ago

We agree.

But as it stands, the servers do rely on tips.

And the only person you're hurting by not tipping in the current system is that specific server.

No you're not "helping them actually" by hurting them. That is what abusers say. You are siding with the exploitative business and telling them "it's ok that you operate this way."

Either boycott all tip reliant businesses, or tip while you're already crossing the proverbial picket line. It's that easy.

[-] Jason@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago

The "abuser" in this situation is the employer that doesn't pay enough so that their employees can pay rent and then shrugging it off as if there is nothing that can be done. As if there is a law stopping them from paying a fair wage.

They know that the server will stay on a less than livable wage because otherwise they'll fire them and find someone else who is desperate. This is predatory behaviour.

By not tipping I am not "siding with the exploitative business". Continuing to perpetuate this "culture of tipping" is, however.

I DO already boycott all businesses that make servers rely on tips for a livable wage. I do also tip servers for good service, but it is in addition to their wage, not to make up what the employer refuses to pay.

It really is that easy.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

And the one who supports the employer that doesn't pay their workers fairly: The customer. It's both of you especially if you're "hitting the server for their own good" by not tipping and pretending that makes you a good person.

I DO already boycott all businesses that make servers rely on tips for a livable wage. I do also tip servers for good service, but it is in addition to their wage, not to make up what the employer refuses to pay.

Good, that's what I'm saying.

It really is that easy.

Hey, that's my line!

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