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Sounds like you don't understand what a livable wage actually means.
Or that you're a manager yourself and never had to live off an unlivable wage.
Sounds like you have never worked for tips.
Its really fucking weird getting down voted and then insulted when chances are you have never had this conversation or worked with people in this industry.
Many restaurants have tried this. The staff do not want it: it always pays much less, and keeps them from being able to pull better nights than others.
Yes outside of america it works, but once you get a taste of that income with tipping, you dont want less.
I'll even back this up:
I have, in fact, worked for tips so don't assume shit about me. I have also worked for minimum wage, with no avenue for tips.
As someone who lives in a country with worker's rights, I will admit even when I was working for tips, the place I worked was legally required to pay minimum wage. (they just get around that by making it so they don't have to give you the hours, fuck zero hour contracts)
Even then, there were people who weren't making enough to do anything but rent a room somewhere and MAYBE go out for a drink at their local once a week.
It's definitely more accurate to say people prefer having contracted hours, and a wage they can live off, than the threat of starvation and homelessness if they don't smile hard enough to make some geriatric fart take pity and throw them some spare change.
My experience has been the opposite: they have tried restaurants over they years in several cities I have lived in and they never last. I will say the time of day, the type of place matter of course.
They never lasted, the good people would go on to working shifts that paid much better. Everytime. Why earn 20 to 30 an hour when you can do 40 to 50?
This is why a universal standard of minimum wage being livable is a bonus. If a restaurant pays better, by having a higher baseline wage, then the tips actually count as tips, the staff are happier and the service is better.
Why wouldn't the restaurant give them 40 per hour if that's what they make extra by increasing the price?
"The survey was conducted by CorCom, Inc. of nearly 4,000 tipped employees in states facing tip credit elimination threats this year."
Ah yes, a study of 4000 people about to lose their tips would certainly prefer getting tips
Thanks for providing sources for your quotes Or were you embarrassed to say your source was " https://minimumwage.com/2024/07/survey-tipped-employees-nationwide-prefer-keeping-the-tip-credit/ "
Thats fair, I didn't go that far down to verify the funding, in my source it only said it was conducted by Lloyd Corder, an adjunct professor at Carnegie Mellon University.
I can accept that the industry shapes the narrative, and pointing out who funded this one is doing exactly that.
But it was only one of many, and I will die on this hill: everyone I know does not want to stop making 40 - 50 dollars an hour, and they KNOW that will happen. They worry they will work longer with worse shifts.
Every single restaurant that has tried this in cities I visit has failed. The good servers and bartenders go where the money is.
Personally, yes tipping needs to go away, but everytime I see it tried, it fails.
And I believe the overall quality of life would be better without tips (health care, security, etc) and I don't want them. Hopefully we do get to that point.
The one thing I keep thinking that would have to change for the US: universal health care and paid time off.
Security would make the workers better off. But good luck getting that.
Here's the wild part, I'm fully in favour of having tips, but not as an alternative to the company that owns the bar or restaurant paying the staff a legally mandated livable minimum wage, I want tips to be a sign of a happy customer and for the server working to be able to put their whole ass into earning those tips, without worrying that some kyle or karen in a bad mood means that they earn less that day.
100% with you on nationally funded healthcare (I have no idea how americans deal with paying ludicrous taxes then being charged for a hospital visit, then having their medication denied by an insurance company that has no medical knowledge.)
Lmao i was just about to call you out on you not backing up shit without a link and only text, but then i saw others having found your "source" already hahha get bent leather gourmand
So I didn't follow it back to the souce. Doesnt matter. I shouldnt bother replying to you because you are simply wanting to be an asshat who has a gotcha. You people suck, no intellectual desires at all.
I will die on this hill. I have seen restaurants try and fail. I have known and worked with enough people that hate this idea. The don't want their wages cut, and they know it will.
UNLESS: These two always come up, and its reasonable: profit sharing or commissions. People are nervous about profit sharing (its the food biz after all) and comissions are just tips with extra steps.
And me personally? I think everyone should earn the same: an hour work is the same no matter who you are, so its not like I want tipping.
But your silly ass "gotcha" aside, I will concede that there is a lot of pressure to keep status quo. I have worked with restaurant owners and told them: show your staff how much money you are making everynight. They are doing the work, make them see what they are getting out of it. Restaurants budgets are tight.
Its hard to convince people to change.