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Netanyahu orders Israeli army to seize ‘70% of Gaza Strip’, violating ceasefire deal
(www.theguardian.com)
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Gotta make room for the Trump casinos. But the Dems and maga are the same, I hear.
One bankrolls the genocide, lets nationalistic goons squash dissent in their own country, and gives pathetic platitudes while hoping the domestic outrage goes away. The other is just more mask off about how much they love killing Muslims. It doesn't matter if Trump builds a casino or the settlers build their own resort; the land is still taken and the people are still gone. His whole involvement in settling Gaza probably did less to normalize it than what the Democrats were doing. If American Hitler says the quiet part out loud, can other countries really stand by so easily?
You can definitely say that Trump is worse on so many issues, but he hasn't done much more than the Democrats to help Israel with Gaza. The only thing he did that Democrats wouldn't do is attack Iran, and that will probably come back to bite Israel in the long run, just like everything else they've done to influence other countries. Get ready for a wave of nasty antisemitism in the future, brought to you by the politicians who listened to AIPAC more than their own constituents. I feel so bad for the Jewish diaspora who will get scapegoated thanks to liberal spinelessness
Honest question: Do you think, if Harris was president, her and the establishment democratic party would refuse letting Israel drag the US into a war with Iran? Because I honestly believe they'd accept the same excuses from Israel that got us into the current war with Iran. They'd probably be more sly about it and less obvious than Trump. Didn't the establishment democrats run their campaign on their unwavering support for Israel?
The problem is that the war was something that any American imperialist with a brain would want to avoid. This war was the dumbest in American history, doing more to destroy American soft power than any past geopolitical blunder. Democrats might saber rattle and try to fuck over Iran in any way they could; they might even try to install the shaw or something using the CIA. However, ever liberal president has recognized just how easy it is for Iran to shut down the strait, and how costly it'd be to actually stop them.
The only reason Trump went along with Israel is that he doesn't care about American imperial interests. All he wanted was a win that would make him look strong, and he thought Iran was a reliable punching bag. He was riding high off of his success with Venezuela and believed Netanyahu when he said it would be easy. Democrats might be in Israel's pocket, but they aren't ego driven enough to fall for that; only Trump would be.
I think this is 100% correct.
I have no illusions that Harris and her advisors would like to see Iran's leadership attacked, and would look for ways to support Israel. But as you said, they'd be at least smart enough to explore ways to justify it, and would avoid direct involvement.
I could absolutely see them holding talks, then Israel attacking and them wringing their hands about how disappointed they are in the "breakdown of diplomacy" while also justifying Israel's attacks, and then sending weapons and support and troops to "assist" while insisting that they're not at war.
This war is so dumb that I remain actually surprised Trump fell for it. I have no illusions about how stupid he is, but this is jump-off-a-shed-onto-a-bike-rack-directly-on-your-nuts-dumb. I remain amazed that even he would fall for this.
She also literally promised a more lethal military.
I'm unclear what this means.
Do you think Biden and Trump are different with regard to Palestine?
I'm not one of those people who equivocates between Democrats and Republicans, but on this issue I'm genuinely unclear what someone would point to as a difference in policy between Biden and Trump.
It mean that cannonfoldder is a scum enjoying the situation in gaza because it serve his cult interests
This is unintelligible.
Although it appeared to have minimal effect, Biden actually told Isreal to back down. His administration gave warnings about Isreal needing to select targets with more care about civilians collateral. They crossed his 'red line' and nothing much happened, but there was at least some pushback. Once Trump was elected, things got dramatically worse. Trump encouraged Isreal to 'wipe out Gaza'. Remember the videos of Trump Casinos there? It was when Trump took power that Isreal went from picking military related targets without regard for civilian casualties, to actually targeting civilians en mass. And Isreal ramped up its blockade of humanitarian supplies. I agree that Biden wasn't doing enough to push back. But this isn't a case of them both being the same just because they both support Isreal too much.
Yeah sure. During biden
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed
92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged
88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed
80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities
Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water.
75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed
Numbers do not lies, Biden was worse and fuck both Biden and trump
Don't forget the 20 billion in military aid he sent, as they were committing the genocide
Ok, if you're happy with Trump, you do you.
I said fuck Trump . Learn to read you cultist idiot
It's maga or dems. Thats how it works now. You said you think they're the same. So you're just as happy with Trump.
I said they are the same strictly about gaza despite most of the damage was done during him but you are a dumb cultist pro genocide hypocrite who selecrively read what people say .
You also lied about Biden, Biden did not restrict Israel he was willing to let Israel finish the rest if Gaza while pretending to seek a cease fire
Project much? Biden was pushing back; we'll never know what he would have done, because too many American mouth breathers didn't see Dems as better than maga.
Biden did not push back. It is a fact. He bypassed the congres twice to give aid to Israel. He allowed Israel to add new conditions in cease fire term then blame the failure of reaching a deal on Hamas. Trump did bypass the congress too but becuse you are a dumb democratc cultist you will act i never condemned Trump. Both trump and biden could have secured a real cease fire but decided not to
https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/
You can't deny that most of the destruction and murder of palestinians happened during Biden
I can deny that - and I also agree that Biden didn't do enough. But to say the Biden administration was as bad as Trump's is crazy.
Your source show that the majority of causalities happened during Biden. My source shows the majority of descruction happen during Biden. Biden stayed in office during the genocide 471 days , Trump 496 days.
Biden :
Fatalities: 47,460
Injuries: 111,580
Trump:
Fatalities: There were 72,289 recorded fatalities.
Injuries: There were 172,040 recorded injuries.
You are so soft when critisizng Biden complicity with genocide while I am harsh on both. Trump could have been 90% better than Biden and I would still believe the minimum punishement is a life time sentence for him
In their chart, it's pretty clear that the death rate in Gaza went up just as Trump took control. His rhetoric at the time was very pro-Isreal and encouraging them to eradicate the Palestinians, put up casinos, and all that. And then it slowed way down in Oct last year when the pseudo peace agreement brokered by the U.S. started. So credit where it's due, they managed to make some sort of improvement then. But all Presidents have tried to make peace deals in Isreal/Gaza - it's not like Biden wouldn't have likely done that too. And the U.S. has now allowed isreal to attack Lebanon. And of course the Iran attacks which then US didn't just support but was actively attacking. And of course Biden might have done the same, it's not totally off script, although a Biden or Harris admin probably wouldn't have fucked up the closing of the straight so badly. I don't think any president would have stopped Isreal from launching a debilitating strike against Hamas after the October attacks. And then Hezbollah joining in made them a legit target too. I don't think Biden did enough to pressure Isreal to safeguard civilians and to provide humanitarian aid. I'm not taking it easy on him. But the point is that it's still as clear as anything that Trump was worse for the people of Gaza than Harris would have been. And the steadfast refusal to accept that and vote accordingly is what what got Trump elected, and what will get maga elected again (and then fuck over more people of the world, like in Cuba for example).
What a stupid angle. The mortality from the start of the genocide to the last day of Biden in office is higher than during Trump in the same time frame. So Biden was slightly than Trump
There is no big difference between trump talking about ethnically cleansing Palestinians from the land then Israel allow trump's casino and Biden lying about seeking a cease fire and allow israel to ethnically cleansing all Palestinians so israel build settlements again
I don't give credit to a half baked cease fire when Trump could end the genocide completely, same as Biden. See, I am harsher on Trump than you based on facts
You seem to have a memory of a fly? Because Biden did allow Israel to attack Lebanon
Not a single one tried to make a real peace deal . Not a single one advocated for a Palestinian states will all it's right and threats if Israel refuses to slowly dismantle settlements.
You should be happy not sad that Iran has control of the straight because otherwise Iran would have no leverage and Israel/USA may have succeeded to create another failed state. Giving the money to Israel to bomb Iran or the USA bombing itself Iran is equally bad.
All evidence show the opposed as I already shows in this post
Biden withdrawing too late and Harris because one of the dumbest politician I ever seen who couldn't convice she would be better for the economy and border security along with the shitty two party system make Trump wins
So that's the point. Harris easily made the case that she was better for security and the economy. And she was quite clearly better on ME politics too despite your mental gymnastics trying to make yourself believe otherwise. But she wasn't good enough for too many leftist morons in the U.S. and so we got maga/trump. It seems like you're happy with Trump winning, so good on you I guess.
I want to take a big step back and ask what the point of this conversation is.
Personally, I think we should study history to learn from it.
I think you should -- as a mental exercise -- imagine that although Biden objected to the optics, he fundamentally believed that the only way for Israeli Jews to be safe was to teach Palestinians the lesson that armed resistance will always elicit an unfathomable cost in their children's blood. And that meant that an unrestrained total war on the civilian population was an unfortunate necessity.
If he believed this, but also found the glorification of racial hatred despicable, and recognized that politics and law required him to publicly disavow crimes against humanity...
... what do you think he would do?
Really try to answer this question. And then ask how his real world choices differed.
The cost of Biden's mistakes has been unbearable. So we had better learn lessons and make sure these mistakes are never repeated. And that requires an honest accounting.
I don't know, but what if you presume he wanted to stop the killing of civilians in Gaza but he was stuck because of the current ME power balance, the politics of it, and the weight of the Isreali supporting voters, lobbyists and funding. I think, then, he would push back with public statements, threaten to reduce support, and use backchannel pressure. And it seems like that's what happened. Once Trump won, Isreal ramped up the attacks on civilians; so whatever Biden was doing, it helped somewhat.
I'm sorry but what reality is this in? Netanyahu literally accepted the ceasefire Biden had been unsuccessfully pushing for seven months the day before Trump took office.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire
The primary difference between the war before and after the transition was that the IDF transitioned from a brutal ground offensive to a three month ceasefire, followed by a ruthless starvation blockage. It's not substantively better. But no, Israel did not "ramp up up attacks"; they literally did the opposite of that when Trump took office.
I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but you're living in denial. I get it. The truth was devastating to watch. But if you want anything to get better, you need to confront reality.
Well you seem to like Trump, and carry water for him regardless of what was said and done and the actual effect on the ground. But so it often is with Trump supporters. Nothing I can say will change your opinion and you'll probably go on supporting maga to get elected because you are somehow convinced that democrats are just as bad. Whatever. I'll let you have the last word now.
I thick we should sit with what you're doing here.
You're not a fool. You know perfectly well that I despise Trump. But you're accusing me of supporting him because you know it's a vicious and disgusting thing to say. You're resorting to vulgar insults because my words hurt you deeply, moreso because they're coming from an ally. I'm violating the safety of the fiction you're sheltering in, and if you can convince yourself that I'm actually some kind of manipulative fascist that is doing it to hurt you rather than help you confront painful truths, it makes it easier for you to dismiss my words.
I don't think this is a conscious plan. But this is what a worldview trying to protect itself from painful truths does.
I'll say no more. I will accept your anger. But I wish you progress on the journey we're all on.
Yes. I get angry. When someone says 'they're the same'. I'm perfectly aware how the dems aren't good enough. But they're so obviously better than maga, that it pisses me off when idiots refuse to vote for 'better' due to some moronic notion, and as a result we end up with the generational damage cause by trump.
these people that blame democrats for what republicans and israel do are so insufferable and a large part of why trump won again
It is you cultists who act like trump is not as bad as Biden. Nobody is blaming democrats for what republicans and israel do here
oh i see. you kneejerked bc i said “this is why trump won again” as if i wanted that outcome. i’m blaming all these fucking idiots here that equate democrats to republicans, and yes, dude, there are PLENTY of those people here. learn to fucking read
I am mad because you dumb cultists can't condemn Trump normally like us without whitewashing Democrats. Both parties are fully supporting the terrorist state of Israel, giving them billions of dollars, providing unlimited diplomatic protection, refusing to force Israel to do a real ceasefire; your war criminal presidents are constantly bypassing Congress to give more money to Israel to continue their campaign of extermination. Stricly about Palestine and Gaza they are the same while in other issues democrats are better.
go to hell, dipshit.
what cult do i follow, asshole? trump’s infinitely worse than biden and only the most moronic contrarians can’t see that
The democratic cult. Fuck both political cults your shitty country has. Asshole
you’re such an idiot, just as brainwashed as everyone you think you’re smarter than. contrarian acting like he’s better than everyone else with ZERO actual strategy to make anything better. just bitch
Yes the dems who lied about a cease fire and was allowing the destruction of what left of Gaza are the same
"Allowing the destroy" - is this a strange Russian/English translation issue?
the only difference between those two turds is the color, they even smell the same