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[-] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago

JFC...why are Americans accepting this?

[-] Thteven@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

I'm fuckin tired boss, and like most Americans I'm in no position to effect any real change.

What am I supposed to do as a poor that lives 3000 miles away from where all these decisions are being made? We have protests and marches all the damn time, Trump gets booed and (supposedly) shot at during public events, his stooges get made fools of in congressional hearings, bills get submitted and voted down, and none of it actually leads to anything.

We all know there won't be any justice here for a long time, he's just shitting on top of the pile now.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We were raised our whole lives told that, contrary to all historic precident, violence solves nothing and peaceful protest is the way.

Meanwhile, MLK wasn't shit without Malcom.

I don't think Malcom X was mentioned at all in my public school career.

[-] Okokimup@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

MLK was effective enough to get assassinated. Violent revolution is statistically not as effective as nonviolent revolution; Americans just don't know what that looks like. Highly recommend the book Blueprint for a Revolution by Srdja Popovic.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

You see I'm not so sure about that. I think after the Civil Rights era the oligarchy changed Society so something like that would not be possible again. And when I say I think that it's more like I know that there has been some reporting on this decades back.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Aaron McGruder gave a talk to some university students around 2000 that laid out this exact idea. He didn't sound hopeful that change would happen.

Edit: it seems to have been 2003

[-] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Violent revolution is statistically not as effective as nonviolent revolution

Citation required.

[-] Okokimup@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

From BfaR:

In a stellar book titled Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict, two brilliant young American academics, Erica Chenoweth and Maria J. Stephan, did something that no scholar before them had done: they looked at every conflict they could find between 1900 and 2006, 323 in total, and analyzed them carefully to see which succeeded, which failed, and why. Their findings were astonishing. “Nonviolent resistance campaigns,” they discovered, “were nearly twice as likely to achieve full or partial success as their violent counterparts.” Or, if you’re a fan of exact figures, here’s the score: Take up arms, and you have a 26 percent chance of succeeding. Practice the principles you have just read about in this book, and the number shoots up to 53 percent. Not surprisingly, if you look at the same statistics in the last two decades alone—with no more Cold War to spur the financing of armed conflicts across the globe—the ratio spikes even more dramatically in favor of nonviolence.

Countries that experienced nonviolent resistance, Chenoweth and Stephan found, had more than a 40 percent chance of remaining democracies five years after the conflict ended. Countries that took the violent path, on the other hand, had less than a 5 percent chance of becoming functioning democracies. Choose nonviolence, and you’re looking at a 28 percent chance of experiencing a relapse into civil war within the decade; choose violence, and the number is 43 percent. The numbers are uniform, and what they tell us is irrefutable: if you want stable, durable, and inclusive democratic change, nonviolence works and violence doesn’t.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Seems like those that use violence as an engine to drive change inevitably see that violence inflicted back upon them.

Violent revolution is statistically not as effective as nonviolent revolution with the background threat of violence as an alternative in case of failure.

FTFY

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Because they're overwhelmed

They have been beaten into apathy

They simply accept that they're going to get fucked

It's not helped by the fact that a huge number of them are stupid and hateful

This is all by design

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago
[-] Juniperus@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago

I would say fight back economically by forming cooperatives. This guy and his criminal enterprises are stealing massive amounts of wealth from us, which realistically means prices are just going to keep going up and up and up. Not to mention Hormuz being closed with no end in sight. We need people to become more economically self-reliant ASAP.

Let me know if you want more specific ideas about managing cooperatives (or look at my post history).

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I wholeheartedly endorse your position here.

I as well have spent a good deal of time evangelizing on the need to set up our own sort of companies that do not operate solely on the profit margin in areas where the private sector is not providing a societal need well.

[-] Juniperus@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks! Glad to find allies.

How would you feel about a worker's cooperative (1share/1vote) with an elected board and president, but also a CEO who gets elected based on a business plan? The CEO would build a management hierarchy to implement the business plan, something that's missing from typical co-ops.

Equity of socialism with the productivity of capitalism, or at least that's the hope.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I would actually love to talk about this more when I am able I would love to share some of my ideas and hear yours. I think there's a lot of good possibilities in your ideas sound good I have mine too but am just unable to do by myself.

But basically your last paragraph is my thinking, we're obviously not going to get socialism and industries where we need it, we could do it privately. We obviously need to.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago
[-] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago
[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Sigh, I don my powdered wig and tripoint hat

[-] figjam@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago

Things are hard and people who are barely getting by don't want to make their lives worse.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Now they got these new things called the rifles, apparently they're more accurate I've been meaning to look into it.

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but those are also much more regulated. Last I heard, for muskets, certain gun laws don't apply.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Sure but hear me out here, this is new things called drones, autonomously controlled you can put explosives on them and run them into shit, maybe we should look into that.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Certain SCOTUS housing, to my understanding, is very welcoming of such packages.

[-] obelisk_complex@piefed.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

three of the four largest protests in American history

Why are Americans accepting this?

🙄

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's the fantasy of people who grew up with too many movies.

"Why don't you just violently overthrow your own government?"

Meanwhile people with any actual knowledge of history or human nature knew this is EXACTLY what was going to happen if fuckface won again. The conditions for violent revolution are not even CLOSE to satisfied in the US, and no amount of trying to break the system is going to get that to happen in the lifetime of anybody currently alive.

Whether you're brimming with hope, or buried under despair, or some kind of non-participating magical thinking idiot whackjob/Russian troll - the only potential way this ends is at a ballot box.

[-] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

But we're already past the ballot box, and the Jury box doesn't seem to hold any water. That leaves one more box

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

dont really need violent revolution tbh, just kill the 20 or so rich fucks that fund the overhwhelming majority of "conservative" media and the various political power brokers.

shit, AIPAC? like...6-7 people fund half of all their $, addresses and everything are pretty easy to track down

[-] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That is how it wouldve been handled by literally any other animals

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Because we're told we can't expect politicians to serve us. 🤷‍♂️

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