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I condemn violence but I'm also condoning it in the same breath, yes I'm an incoherent fruit loop, why do you ask? (thelemmy.club)
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Goddam we are already at "it wasn't real but if it was they deserved it"?

From true anon.

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[–] 38 points 4 months ago (22 children)

If you can't shred the ideology they stand for with your own words and can only attack their looks, you show that you stand for nothing and that anyone who is a sympathetic fellow traveler or slowly developing their class consciousness that those they'd side with are rabied dogs who bite anyone in arms reach.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    i'm much less interested in one specific person's appearance than i am in the fact that it's the result of a deliberate cosmetic surgery and has become a trend in a specific political circle despite clashing with wider normative standards for "conventionally attractive."

    there's probably a couple social science dissertations there

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I don't particularly question the reasons why individuals do what they do with their physical form as long as it's fully a choice of their free will. It's none of my business.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    considering the politics involved i doubt it's "fully a choice of their free will", even within the extent that such a thing is possible to begin with

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    As a trans person, I sort of live in the space of "am I making this choice because I actually want to or because I'm trying to fit into society better?" That is, many of my choices about my body could be argued to be not entirely a freely made choice.

    But I'm not actually very interested in digging into my motivations for the choices I've made. I thought about them quite a bit before I made them, but now that they're made, I kind of don't care how pressured by society I was when I made them. And if anyone else tried to tell me that my choices were not my own or not freely made? Yeah, fuck right off with that.

    The same applies here. You're probably right, Laura Loomer and all the rest are making a choice that is, of course, mediated and informed by society. But I don't care to dig into her motivations, and I am entirely unwilling to say that her choice to get the surgeries she has gotten is anything other than a free choice made with free will

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    you're speaking to my "even to the extent" cutout. the clothes we do or don't wear, the makeup we do or don't put on, or when, etc. I think that's mostly not worth getting into for regular people

    i think the political cult is insulated from wider society and exerts specific pressures on its members and orbiters that goes beyond wider society's background influence. Trumps goons wear a suit and tie because of social norms, they wear shoes that don't fit because of some extra bullshit.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    Trump goons wear shoes that don't fit because they got gifted them by Trump. Did Trump give Laura Loomer a plastic surgery giftcard or something?

    Excuse me for being a little flippant here, but I do not believe that that these conservative women getting serious plastic surgery is primarily loyalty-signaling. I full on think that's entirely bullshit and will continue to do so right up until one of these conservative women comes out and says it directly

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, she, or Trump, or whomever don't just happen to look like that, they deliberately paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to make themselves look like that. It's an elaborate costume and class signifier. Making fun of Mar-A-Lago face is like making fun of how Louis XIV dressed

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I totally agree with you, but this is a separate argument.

    Any criticism of Loomer should lead with things like how she successfully lobbied the US government to block desperate Palestinian children from receiving medical care in the US.

    But why should her looks be off limits?

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    The working masses appear in all shapes and sizes. How would you feel if someone was ruthlessly attacking the appearance of someone who has a resemblance to yourself, say that if you were a balding male with a receding hairline and people that you agree with and generally get along cordially make fun of trumps sons for their receding hairlines and do nothing but attack them for physical traits that coincidentally align with your own physical traits. Would you not feel slighted? Wouldn't you wonder if those you are working with are judging your physical form in the same manner as they judge the enemy?

    We must fight for the liberation of the working class, and to help join our ranks and feel welcome, we must cast aside our discrimination for the other. This means fighting against racism, misogyny, ageism, xenophobia, homophobia, trans-phobia, discrimination against the disabled, and to struggle against the chauvinist lies of the capitalist class.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    The fact you haven't addressed is that she chose to have that appearance, and she did it as a cultural signifier to the MAGA cult.

    Choosing to have Mar-a-Lago face is similar to choosing a Nazi tattoo. I harshly criticize the appearance of people with Nazi tattoos, and I think that same logic applies to Loomer's face.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    So any women who enjoys cosmetics and has elected to get self-affirming surgery should be shamed just because of a handful of people?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    No.

    There's a fundamental difference between enjoying cosmetics, self-affirming surgery, and Mar-a-Lago face.

    Would you judge a person who elected to get self-affirming surgery in an attempt to look like Hitler? I would, and I think Mar-a-Lago face is a similar concept.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    people getting cosmetic surgery out of fear of appearing unattractive

    people getting Nazi tattoos to prove their loyalty to the cause

    These are actually not that similar, even if it's "Mar-A-Lago" face for the MAGA crowd

    Just because the MAGA crowd is obsessed with appearances doesn't mitigate the fact that most of Western society is obsessed with appearance as well

    Look at Hollywood and it's rich history of grinding actors to paste only to cast them aside the second they start to show wrinkles

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    People are getting Mar-a-Lago face to prove their loyalty to the cause. It's fundamentally different than Hollywood's body dysmorphia.

    Mar-a-Lago face is not standard Hollywood style procedures, it is designed specifically to stand out from those types of looks. It's a peacock effect. It's a cultural signifier. It's a Nazi tattoo.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Mar-a-Lago face is not standard Hollywood style procedures, it is designed specifically to stand out from those types of looks. It's a peacock effect. It's a cultural signifier. It's a Nazi tattoo.

    It's plastic surgery you dingus, you're lost in the sauce really.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    and tattoo ink can be used to make something wholesome and cool or something vile

    it's not gender affirmation, it's not whatever the fuck is going on in occupied korea.

    if anything it's more similar to foot-binding than truly elective procedures like the bifurcated tongue fad

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    That's the thing about dog whistles, for most people it is just plastic surgery. For most people, 1488 is just a number and the golden sun is just a cool looking symbol.

    Hop in the sauce, pal. It's still warm, and it's delicious.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    What is the difference between the mar-a-lago face than people in their 50-60 trying to look younger?

    If the specifics of the mar-a-lago face is large lips/eyelashes what makes it different than I don't know the bimbo look?

    Only right wing republicans have this aesthetics or the majority of republicans have it but other people also have them?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    "Mar-a-Lago face" is a cultural and aesthetic term describing a highly polished, unapologetically "done" look. Unlike standard cosmetic surgery—which often aims for subtle, natural-looking rejuvenation—this style leans into excess and is frequently seen as a symbol of status, wealth, and conservative political alignment.

    https://www.paultulley.com/the-mar-a-lago-face-aesthetic-trend/

    Mar-a-Lago face is intentionally trying to set itself apart from the traditional cosmetic surgery of trying to look younger, it's a cultural signifier.

    I'm no expert, but I think the "bimbo" look includes beach blonde hair, an emphasis on breast surgery; less filler and different facial shape than Mar-a-Lago face.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Because attacking someone for their looks is criticising them for not adhering to your particular standards of attractiveness. Dismissing and attacking someone for the way is constantly used to put down queer people, fat people, disabled people, alternative people etc. These standards come from misogynistic and racist ideas of what attractive people look like, that is skinny people with white skin and white features.

    When you attack someone for looking a certain way, you attack anyone who looks like them. People deserved to be judged for their actions and beliefs, not their presentation. Attacking someone's appearance enforces the idea that your appearance needs to be pleasing to others, and if it isnt, you deserve to be degraded, which is extremely harmful to so many people, especially queer and trans people.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, I'm a disabled person, I really understand cultural stigma.

    The big difference in my mind is that I didn't choose to be disabled. Loomer, through a series of elective cosmetic surguries, chose that face.

    When you attack someone for looking a certain way, you attack anyone who looks like them

    Yes, very intentionally. Choosing Mar-a-Lago face is one of the strongest signifiers of MAGA cultism. It's practically a Nazi tattoo.

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