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[–] 192 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Its working guys. The decentralization is working. I for one think its amazing that we've created these little social medias to fight like Pokémon and nobody can stop us.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    A wild lemmygrad appears.
    Which instance do you choose as counter?

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I actually don't think the Lemmy Platform decentralization is working at all. This is evidenced by the fact that several times the tankie lemmy devs have pushed a top of the site banner to beg for donations to help run Lemmy ml, and most instance owners admit they're not equipped to audit the code and remove it.

    I think Piefed is a superior solution for that reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    let's not pretend like this is worse than the situation with reddit, this is like switching from pants filled with shit to pants that periodically piss themselves a bit

    Yeah it's not good, but good lord it's so much better

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  • [+] -8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The admins should have a choice in the banner, but each Lemmy instance is also using that software for free and should, in the spirit of Floss, give back. Thats really all I'll say about that because I'm not an admin nor am I a dev for either software.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Nah, fuck Tankies.

    Tankies deserve $0. Tankies should have to pay the rest of us reparations for all the propaganda they try to shove down our throats.

    Tankies would convince you and everyone in the west to murder our entire families in the night if they could. They are the enemy, they hate all that is good and just in the world, all they know is war and submission.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    ..they are the enemy, they hate all that is good and just in the world, all they know is war and submission

    I don't think even Trump supporters are that horrible people. At worst, tankies are falling for Russian/Chinese/etc... propaganda, possibly due to overcorrecting from American propaganda. None of us are immune to propaganda.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Tankies are just MAGA after their regime takes root. What the CCP does to Uighurs and Tibetans is what Trump WISHES he could do. China and Russia are constantly trying to expand borders. They're a threat to continued life on this earth, they hate us, and they're spending massive amounts of money to spread propaganda and do us as much harm as possible.

    If you want evidence of that, just look at how TikTok, a Beijing run military psyop, did everything in its power to reelect Trump in 2024 by voluntarily turning off services and blaming the Biden admin, then turning back on to thank him after the election. Trump was the Russian and Chinese backed candidate.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think we might be having a misunderstanding. I thought of "tankies" as denizens of lemmy.ml and similar places, likely not even being Russian or Chinese themselves or living there.

    I'm pretty sure you are right about Chinese and Russian imperialism. However, the average person anywhere is not a knowing supporter of imperialism themselves... that's where propaganda comes into play.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    The people who own and operate ML and Hexbear are the Tankies who fervently support the Russian and Chinese dictatorships, as well as those in North Korea, Indonesia, Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela which act as puppet states for them.

    To say there might be a few normal but misled people on those instances is a pointless distinction because they are Tankie instances.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I chill with the bears all day and nobody says that. You seem to be extremely reactionary to that ideology and I think you should step back and look at how polarized you are. It can't be a healthy mindset. I mean you immediately responded like this and downvoted me for saying something pretty benign from a software development angle.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    For a mental exercise, you oppose ethnic cleansing of muslim groups such as the genocide in Gaza and Lebanon, right?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You're gonna wrap this back around to China and the Uyghurs like I'm in love with China or some shit, aren't you?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Damn, I had the popcorn ready and everything..

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Well, you could play it out a bit from there.

    If we tie it back to love of China and Uyghurs we could go with "If there's a Uyghur genocide in China, then there's also a Black genocide in America!"

    Or maybe "How do you pose a country should respond to violent separatism and terrorist attacks?"

    But then it all just pivots into Ukraine and Russia. First to accuse the other of serving Putin wins. (Or loses?)

    Which then provokes a call to separate genocides into ones using bombs and bullets and ones that aren't.

    Which then circles on back to Palestine and Israel.

    For true ouroubos debatelording.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Have you considered genociding the genociders? Nobody ever really wants to talk about using their methods against them because it’s dark, brutal, and requires dehumanizing people even if we see their actions as inhuman. So we frame the struggle as one of righteousness, remaining noble when they do not, compassionate to the point they exploit it as a weakness. We’re up against callous, selfish, cruel people of all religions, political philosophies, and immutable traits who think one of those things makes them and their tribe superior to those not of the tribe. They infiltrate, corrupt, or bypass whatever social systems we govern ourselves with, sometimes for their personal gain, sometimes for the sake of the state over the rights of the individuals within the state. People seem to accept that fighting back is sometimes the option but want it to be cinematic underdog triumph stories, as if violence as a last resort and with deep regret is more noble than using whatever opportunity one has to eliminate an enemy that has declared themselves an enemy, knows they’re brutal, dispenses death on the daily, and wouldn’t hesitate to destroy someone they identified as an enemy or undesirable.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That’s the core of the moral dilemma. It exists because one side says to take such action is wrong but the other side has no problem doing so, and in our hesitation the most vulnerable are abused, raped, and slaughtered. They currently don’t understand any language but violence, so at what point do we respond to them on their terms? We’ll carry the burden of what we’ve done for our lifetime because we recognize that human beings are human, even one as vile as Trump. He and his kind are irredeemable because no amount of appeals to goodness will sway them from their course and every day you spend trying to reason with them is another day their hate and power has to abuse the most vulnerable. You could lock them away and prevent that individual from causing harm, but that’s a singular solution after the fact and life has shown the threat of such consequence does nothing to stop such people from acting on their impulses in the moment. At what point do people who’d prefer not to harm other people decide that violence is violent but the only means of preventing others from committing it? When does their intolerable behavior come full circle and become a solution we find tolerable? At what point do individuals start putting themselves between the victim and the victimizer but instead of self sacrificing in an effort to slow them down, meets violence with violence and ends the threat?

    I guess the point of becoming like them is that we do so not for our personal satisfaction or gain, as they do, but to try and eliminate the threat to those who can’t defend themselves presently and give those who will come after us a better foundation upon which to build their version of society. My grandfather fought Nazis in WWII, and while he never shared all the details I know at some point he was forced to kill indoctrinated kids with guns because if he didn’t he and his would be killed and the regime they were seeking to topple would continue doing what they were doing. It’s a shit reality and I know he carried the burden of what he had to do for the rest of his life, but he survived, they didn’t, he came home and spent the remainder of his years being a decent human being, they forfeited their chance at that because they fought for a cruel version of society. I don’t want to have to embrace the kill or be killed mentality, but at what point do we accept it’s come to that stand our ground on the terms they’ve set?

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You're one of the most diligent apologists for the netanyahu/biden/harris administration.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I've never apologized for Netanyahu, I've been insulting that pos for like 2 decades.

    Also, this you?

    "Since you’re going to assume in the worst possible faith that I didn’t vote for harris unless I say this first, I voted for harris."

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve never apologized for Netanyahu, I’ve been insulting that pos for like 2 decades.

    It must be a grave insult how you carry water for his pets biden and harris.

    Also, this you?

    It is. Centrists will be like "it's not voting for genocide to vote for harm reduction!" and then turn around and be like "YOU SUPPORT GENOCIDE BECAUSE YOU DID WHAT I SAID TO DO!"

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  • [+] -13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Need to nuke mods all over. Go to 100% community ownership. Why the fuck any lefty accepts mods is beyond me.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not every person can handle the responsibility of the power to push any content to anyone and everyone, thus mods were born out of necessity. Without them the communities you like would be spammed with at best AI scams begging for money and at worst CSAM so as to make it unusable by the people who disagree with your community.

    However, you're 100% able to buy your own hardware, launch your own instance, and start your own community, just as everyone else is.

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  • [+] -20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    No. Mods were born out of corporate and political interest to control mass media. Nothing more. Mods are there to convert digital spaces to align with their interest. They're there to prevent people from actually forming another Egyptian spring, wiki leaks, anonymous or anything that could disrupt the current power structure.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    How would you handle the CSAM issue though?

    Few years ago it was an issue since someone spammed CSAM that it got federated to multiple servers and it took concentrated effort from community mods and instance admins to solve the issue.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Automation plus mods are there to handle CSAM. Mods should be a nuclear option. But again give communities more control. Mods are not uphold an ever growing list of vague rules like cops who arrest and beat citizens for "resisting arrest". It's a system of abuse.

    But ask yourself who has massive amounts of CSAM to randomly post across the internet to force an expansion of measure and control. Sounds a lot like something we know governments do.

    For decade I've heard this defense that if mods weren't there, we'd have CSAM in every corner of the internet. Much like if we didn't have American military invading rural villages and dropping bombs on schools then we wouldn't have any freedoms.

    Look at reddit. We only found out a little bit of who mods were. Some were powerful people. Some were just marketing teams. It's control. If you're all leftist and you support mods you're a class traitor.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I very much want to see how this “community run” forum would operate. Does everyone have the ability to remove comments or other users? Would it be up to the votes to decide what stays or not? What then when someone posts something actually offensive? It just stays there until everyone can decide what to do with it? Like, please explain it to me.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't know which is the whole point of finding community solutions. No single person has the solution. A community develops it over time.

    This was suppose to be a leftist leaning spaces. If they can't fucking figure out how to moderate how do they expect to implement any of the core ideals. Cooperatives for example are exactly that.

    Mods are the patriot act of the internet. It's clear now looking back that the same shock doctrine that applied in every other part of life to limit freedoms and keep us controlled were applied to the internet as well. The barrage of CSAM across sites was the false flag that meant we all responded by giving away community based control to a handful of moderators, often times it was moderators who controlled 100s of other forums.

    It's all to avoid another Egyptian spring. It's to keep your group from joining this other group. We're all on our neat little boxes. Boxes that are used to suffocate rather than grow. How many times a day do you need to see post asking which is your favorite marvel character to realize the fucking hell moderation as created.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    So then when was the internet ever “community based” to the point that we didn’t need mods or have separate websites and forums? And then when did we give that away?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    I would say it was more like many places early on tried to build places that were community powered but it always went to a more hierarchical structure. Much like how capitalism and enshittification works. Over time, the people who really want something a certain way will get their way. We were headed in a good direction with voting. Then it's like we just forgot about it. That feature turned into the most useless thing. Remember when sites all got rid of it at the same time? That was weird right. Maybe not so weird if they were all doing it because of outside pressure. Now we still have up and down arrows but they don't do nothing

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    medias

    That's already plural. It's like a hat on a hat.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    It is in-fact working. No one is banned by their own instance for aligning with their opinion. If they are banned by a different instance, they can create their own community in their instance. Block them, block their instance, do fuck all to never hear from them again.

    I know there are a lots of shills from mothership throwing shade on decentralization but this is what actual "freedom" on the internet is like that hasn't been around since forums disappeared.

    If this ain't for you. GTFO.

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