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[–] 122 points 4 months ago (14 children)

In the US, people don't go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.

18% of Americans haven't ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven't seen one for 5 years.

A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That's just the ones we know of.

One thing we know for sure is that ivermectin is about as magic as they say it is for parasites only. It's a fantastic drug for that.

Over 60% of low income citizens would likely feel much better after getting their parasites removed from ivermectin. So what they are seeing, seems true. They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.

This ivermectin religion has real miracles, it's just not the ones they think they are. This belief is entirely created because Americans don't have healthcare. That's why this belief isn't found elsewhere.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago

    Doesn't even need to be eliminated parasites.

    "I am solving the problem by taking the medicine, and I am smart because I'm using a secret medicine they don't want me to know about" causes the brain to release the good feelings chemicals which does make you feel better.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.

    In Estonia it's sorta the same except a visit costs nothing for the GP and 20 euros for the initial visit to a specialty doctor (subsequent visits are free).

    We just don't go to the doctor because we're stubborn as fuck and "it'll heal on its own".

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    18% of Americans haven't ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven't seen one for 5 years.

    What the fuck? Have you a source for those numbers because they're shocking

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Hmm looks like some stats I pulled were from polls, and I fell victim to people paraphrasing that around 20% of rural people not having a primary care doctor in the last few years as "not even having seen a doctor" sorry about that.

    40% of Americans haven't seen a doctor in 5 years: https://studyfinds.org/americans-avoiding-the-doctor/ https://www.aarp.org/pri/topics/health/coverage-access/health-care-rural-america/?

    But the limited stats on primary care and a lot of self reporting is very bad.

    62% parasites infection: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.10.23284404v1.full

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7253135/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Overall%2C+67.4%25+of%2Ca+community+where

    Typing in "southern united states rural primary care access" in Kagi has a lot of sad results.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I haven't seen a doctor in at least a decade and a half, when my parents took me to checkups as a child. I'm very lucky to be healthy, and am in the gym 3-5 days a week to keep my streak going as long as possible.

    However, I'm calling bullshit on this:

    A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That’s just the ones we know of.

    That sounds insane to me. 60% is a motherfucking epidemic. Where's the source for these studies???

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    It's extremely common in Africa. My ex who was Zulu hated that you couldn't get deworming here. Ignore the fact that in Ontario you aren't getting worms. She brought her misconceptions that KZN is like here.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I haven’t seen a doctor in at least a decade

    How do you handle vaccines?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't get vaccinated regularly. Covid was an exception, and I got that at some medical place that was offering them for free (In hindsight idk what type of business they were, but the dude who injected me looked like a real doctor)

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.

    Pretty much this, although it seems freeing the immune system from fighting the worm infection really does help it in fighting the Coronavirus infection: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted (Ctrl+F "The Synthesis").

    TL;DR: Studies showing a positive effect from Ivermectin on Covid came mostly from areas with high worm infection incidence, areas with low incidence showed no or smaller positive effect.
    NB: Link is a selfhosted Substack, works better with JavaScript turned off.

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