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You may call it “not budging” I call it being obtuse. I’ve been going around looking for awebsites and articles and gave you a lot of links to start your own search from.
If you don’t want to believe something that’s fine but that doesn’t change the fact that it is true.
People know they are buying something illegal when they do. It is all over the news. And a lot of people get aftermarket kits or find a TikTok video to shut off the limiter themselves.
Yes Chinese companies are willingly selling illegal bikes, but also yes people en masse are buying them or getting the limiter removed, fully knowing that it is illegal.
How about you find me some numbers about how many people are fooled by companies into buying an illegal bike when they wanted so very badly to buy a legal one.
Oh, but I did find a (German) source for my question right now: "According to estimates by police and experts, five to ten percent of e-bikes in Germany are tuned."
I am cautious of trusting a police union on this without any source, but it is at least something.
So now you can specify: "Less than 10% of e-bike riders remove or know a guy to remove the limiter", since of course this was an estimate on tuning in general.
This doesn’t show anything. You show estimates, I showed facts based on data.
Maybe you should apply your own standards to whatever source you find and talk to me after vetting it. I can’t believe you have the audacity come up with an estimate after all you’ve put me through.
But your facts based on data were for other questions, questions I didn't ask, you do realise that? If I had asked how many fatbikes were illegally fast, you'd have nailed it, but it didn't answer anything on if they were tuned or not.
I know it is only an estimate, but why are you being so hostile about that? I had a specific question, you found some sources that showed related facts, but nothing on your original claim. I appreciate that effort. I now find a rough estimate, do you have a reason to doubt it? Why?
I believe at this point, you are just being angry at me for the sake of it. Take a breather, I assure you everything I wrote was genuine, I am just particular about this 1 question. If you don't see the point, that's fine.
I am not entirely satisfied with an estimate either, but it is something to go off.
You do realize that “a guy who knows a a guy” is a general statement about getting something shady done, right?
Not that it’s a guy. You could have just as easily asked me to prove it is a guy who does these things and not a girl.
I’m being “hostile” because you’ve complained about much harder facts than this nonsense you’ve come up with here. It’s called “reaping what you sow”.
I’m also very annoyed at your sealioning, which is annoying behaviour that almost everyone online hates. So no, I do not need to take a breather, you need to stop this behaviour.
I’ve shown you plenty of evidence to at least make the claim highly probable. You’re just being obtuse and obnoxious and while I’ve done my best to inform you, you have the audacity to stop at an estimate. If you don’t understand how that is annoying then maybe there is no way to explain anything to you.
But you never showed anything that said it is true, you are the one believing without checking for the facts. I am the one saying: I don't know if people actually go out of their way to tune their e-bikes. If you are sick of searching for sources, all you need to say is "I don't know, I just feel like a lot of people get their limiter removed, I don't have any sources on that."
You cannot ask me to prove a negative, everyone knows that.
In the context of mandating a limiter being built in by law, it is important to distinguish between people who get the limiter removed, and people who buy bikes which never had a limiter, because group 1 spends effort or money to make their bike illegal, and the group 2 doesn't spend to make their bike legal.
I agree, in the context of "people drive illegally fast", this does not matter.
I did in fact. Many times. You just kept sealioning about it, which gets annoying fast.
The fact that you can’t prove a negative is also absolute and utter nonsense. A simple study design would be to ask people when they get the fine whether they knew about it or not. And you will get a lot of liars, so it would be heavily biased, but it might show that they didn’t know.
Null hypotheses also get proven all the time.
So please, at least try to put as much effort into it as I did. You owe me as much.