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[-] FishFace@piefed.social 8 points 4 days ago

Not true. We can do a lot of linguistic analysis to get an idea of pronunciation: comparison with descendant and related languages, looking at poetry which carries extra information about pronunciation due to rhyme and metre.

[-] Overspark@piefed.social 0 points 4 days ago

That works when you go a few centuries back, but we're talking millennia here.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 4 days ago

Wikipedia has a survey on the topic.

The further back you go, the less certain you can be, but the techniques are still applicable.

[-] Overspark@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago

Of course we have some ideas about it, and of course there is a scientific method to generate those ideas. However, it's still a boat-load of assumptions, things that seem likely, and the best choices out of some very unstraightforward interpretations. Even the article you linked is full of those caveats. It's an educated guess, and while that's a lot better than having nothing to go on at all, it's still a guess.

I was taught both ancient Greek and Latin in school. While we were taught a certain pronunciation, it was immediately made clear that there were other pronunciations out there that were just as valid, and that other people who learned the same languages might pronounce things very differently. The pronunciation we used was seen as plausible at the very least, but we were warned that there was simply no way to be sure. As a result any plausible pronunciation was basically ruled as "correct".

If you go back to usage in a movie, there's certainly a method to use it in an internally consistent way. Pick one of the most-used pronunciations currently taught in schools, or just go with a modern Greek pronunciation (the alphabet is still largely the same) and make sure that everyone in the movie uses that pronunciation. But there's no way to be sure that that is historically correct in any way.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 5 points 4 days ago

Well, you've gone from "we have no idea" to "we have some ideas" so I think my aim is achieved :)

Cheers.

[-] Overspark@piefed.social -1 points 4 days ago

Ideas are not knowledge. My central point was that we don't know.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago

Either we're using different words to describe the same thing, or you're downplaying the utility of linguistic techniques for producing a realistic work of fiction, and at this point I don't care to work out which. See ya.

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