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Lemmy's political discourse when Republicans gutted the Voting Rights Act yesterday: (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

And if you understand how much of the federal gov functions (or did previously) on tradition and good faith and expected norms instead of by law or regulation then you'll know already how the republicans managed this. Unless of course you're also participating in bad faith like republicans.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    People frequently assume I'm participating in bad faith. From my perspective, I feel like it's just because I disagree with them, but maybe I'm approaching it wrong. Would love it if you could tell me if there's anything I can do to respectfully disagree and discuss while not coming off as bad faith. But I understand that's not your job lol, just curious.

    Anyways, for sure a lot of the gov functions on good faith, that's been demonstrated very painfully the last few years! It still seems like that means the Democrats had opportunities and just didn't take them. Republicans don't need absolute power to get things done, but Democrats do? I mean, I respect that they want to uphold tradition and good practices, but at the very least they should probably have tried to codify some of that more when they could have. The whole argument for voting for dems anyways is that we've got to play the game the best we can with the cards we're given - so if that's the expectation for us voters I would hope it applies to our representatives as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    People frequently assume I'm participating in bad faith.

    This should tip you off. You keep uncritically repeating the same talking points used everywhere to blame democrats for things republicans do. They're all based on deliberate misunderstandings of how the gov functions, which helps the next point.

    Republicans don't need absolute power to get things done, but Democrats do?

    Democrats follow the letter and the spirit of the law insofar as how they conduct the affairs of the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. The republicans, heritage foundation, and federalist society have spent the last half century fostering party over country and placing these idealogues in key parts of the executive, legislative, and judicial branch so that when they just break the fucking law and destroy from within every government agency it gets caught up in courts filled with activist republican judges that use the opportunity to destroy precedent and fully reinterpret laws and the Constitution to suit their fascist power grab. And you're asking why Democrats don't just do that too? Do I need to explain the part again where republicans rigged the fucking system by cheating and playing dirty the last fifty years so it's effectively rules for Dems but not for reps? How they literally have the supreme court to rule any which way they want in spite of decades and decades of various precedents they've fucked with recent decisions? The Dems don't have a deep state and they wouldn't have made one to take over, they're not even a united coalition, they're just everyone that isn't a full on fucking nazi and understand the two party system means any vote that isn't for a Dem is expressly for a republican. So why don't the Dems break the law and overthrow the fucking government like the republicans do, hmm gee tough one. And everyone that wants them to break the law like the republicans do, then you want America to die because that's what that will mean. If you want the holes that fascists exploit to take over the government you have to actually give legitimate power to the people who have tried to do this. Only Dems run on taxing rich, closing tax loopholes, codifying government function.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    This is a good response, thank you. I think this adds nuance to the issue that legitimizes your perspective. I'd be lying if I said this totally changes my mind but it does help me see why people follow this line of reasoning and I think there are good points there.

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